Has Buzz become too big for his britches - is this why Larry Williams left?

[muarmy81]

Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!

2 sweet 16's and 1 elite 8?

[jesmu84]

2 sweet 16's and 1 elite 8?

He only got there because he's a good coach, not because he can recruit talent... no wait, that's not right.

He only got there because his players' talent and good recruiting, not because he can coach... no wait, that's not right either.

dang. i'm stumped.

[chapman]

He only got there because he's a good coach, not because he can recruit talent... no wait, that's not right.

He only got there because his players' talent and good recruiting, not because he can coach... no wait, that's not right either.

dang. i'm stumped.

He only got there because his teams put up unprecedented Luck rankings in KenPom.  Nope, not right either.  Though we had some proper voodoo last year. 

#203, #312, #306, #67, #10.

[Lennys Tap]

Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!

Then you obviously weren't a fan of Crean, Deane, O'Neill, Dukiet, Majerus, or Raymonds. Anybody not named McGuire, and my guess is your too young to remember him. Your life as a Marquette fan must really suck.

[jesmu84]

Then you obviously weren't a fan of Crean, Deane, O'Neill, Dukiet, Majerus, or Raymonds. Anybody not named McGuire, and my guess is your too young to remember him. Your life as a Marquette fan must really suck.

"fan"

[MU82]

Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!

Excellent call. The past five years were excruciating, what with all those deep tournament runs, entertaining players and whatnot.

I sure hope we can find a coach who will be guaranteed to do better than Buzz has. What a loser he's been.

[tower912]

Dread beats the 'ignore' function with the unbridled stupidity.    There are few truly 'great' coaches.    We all can name them.   Even the 'greats' have flaws.   IMO, Buzz is the best coach at MU since Al.   Crean was good and deserves props for building enthusiasm for the program and selling the program.   But as a recruiter, as an X and O guy, IMO Buzz is better.   He is not beyond reproach.   He has flaws, like all of us and all of the other coaches.   But I believe that if he stays here, say 15 years, this year will be the outlier.    And I sure don't see a whole lot better out there that would be willing to come to MU.    Miller, Bennett, Pastner, Brad......they ain't walking through that door.     And he will continue to be rumored for so many different slots because the entire college basketball world sees it differently than you do, dreadman.

[MarquetteDano]

Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!

So other marvelous predictions/statements of yours:

Buzz is to SMU is a done deal
2012-13 MU will have worst backcourt in the Big East
Vander Blue is a bust (then later you told us him entering the draft was your prediction)
Creighton to the new Big East is a joke

[Wojo'sMojo]

Dread beats the 'ignore' function with the unbridled stupidity.    There are few truly 'great' coaches.    We all can name them.   Even the 'greats' have flaws.   IMO, Buzz is the best coach at MU since Al.   Crean was good and deserves props for building enthusiasm for the program and selling the program.   But as a recruiter, as an X and O guy, IMO Buzz is better.   He is not beyond reproach.   He has flaws, like all of us and all of the other coaches.   But I believe that if he stays here, say 15 years, this year will be the outlier.    And I sure don't see a whole lot better out there that would be willing to come to MU.    Miller, Bennett, Pastner, Brad......they ain't walking through that door.     And he will continue to be rumored for so many different slots because the entire college basketball world sees it differently than you do, dreadman.

Up until this year I thought Buzz was a great coach. Now I'm going with good coach. He is a great recruiter, but I don't agree that he is all that as an X and O's guy. And his in game adjustments often leave a lot to be desired. He has been exposed this year as woefully stubborn and that is why I don't think he is great anymore. I'm still glad we have him though,as I think the potential recruits he can bring in will make up for his shortcomings as a game planner/in game coach.

[CTWarrior]

Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!

Some of the reaction to this season is unbelievable.  We are coming off our most successful 5 year stretch in 35+ years and you were never a fan of that?

I think Buzz is doing a less than stellar job with this particular group of players, but overall how can you be anything but satisfied with the job he has done?  He's regularly bringing in highly rated classes and other than this year, winning big with them.

[tower912]

Up until this year I thought Buzz was a great coach. Now I'm going with good coach. He is a great recruiter, but I don't agree that he is all that as an X and O's guy. And his in game adjustments often leave a lot to be desired. He has been exposed this year as woefully stubborn and that is why I don't think he is great anymore. I'm still glad we have him though,as I think the potential recruits he can bring in will make up for his shortcomings as a game planner/in game coach.

I didn't say he was great.   I think he still has a way to go and may never get there.   I said best since Al.  I think his X and O's are solid and that he is always trying to get better.   If past is any predictor of future, Buzz will learn from this year and get better.   This year is just frustrating.  Buzz warned in September and October that this year's team had exactly two players who had ever done anything.   And that was before the injury to Duane, McKay leaving, and the lingering injury to STjr.   I have a feeling that he saw this coming, far better than most here. 

[madtownwarrior]

he was just a year off on "2012-13 MU will have worst backcourt in the Big East"

and could have shot bigger - maybe all of NCAA Div 1.... and some DII and DIII

So other marvelous predictions/statements of yours:

Buzz is to SMU is a done deal
2012-13 MU will have worst backcourt in the Big East
Vander Blue is a bust (then later you told us him entering the draft was your prediction)
Creighton to the new Big East is a joke

[Goose]

madtown

+1

[NickelDimer]

Some of the reaction to this season is unbelievable.  We are coming off our most successful 5 year stretch in 35+ years and you were never a fan of that?

I think Buzz is doing a less than stellar job with this particular group of players, but overall how can you be anything but satisfied with the job he has done?  He's regularly bringing in highly rated classes and other than this year, winning big with them.

It truly is, and from what I consider to be a pretty knowledgeable fan base (and consider this board to be representative of that).  I just laugh.  If Buzz reads this stuff he must piss his pants. I can't imagine how hard he would laugh at someone like dreadman.

Everyone's a couch coach.

[willie warrior]

I didn't say he was great.   I think he still has a way to go and may never get there.   I said best since Al.  I think his X and O's are solid and that he is always trying to get better.   If past is any predictor of future, Buzz will learn from this year and get better.   This year is just frustrating.  Buzz warned in September and October that this year's team had exactly two players who had ever done anything.   And that was before the injury to Duane, McKay leaving, and the lingering injury to STjr.   I have a feeling that he saw this coming, far better than most here. 

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Yes the all seeing, all knowing Buzzaraji--he saw the RS to Duane, and McKay leaving well in advance of everybody. Of course, if he was planning all along to RS Duane, then he did see that in advance. But at any rate keep on slurping the Kool Aid Tower.

[willie warrior]

It truly is, and from what I consider to be a pretty knowledgeable fan base (and consider this board to be representative of that).  I just laugh.  If Buzz reads this stuff he must piss his pants. I can't imagine how hard he would laugh at someone like dreadman.

Everyone's a couch coach.

Less than stellar=?????

[Aughnanure]

Buzz is overrated as a coach and mediocre in recruiting . I was never a Buzz fan. Now u guys are starting to see what I saw 5 years ago!

You mean, in your head?