Recruits

[GGGG]

White is listed at 6"9 by VC. If he beefs up more, we could play in him in the post while Harris plays the role of a traditional switchable. Hehe, "traditional switchable"

That's not White's game...and that is part of the problem.

[Silkk the Shaka]

That's not White's game...and that is part of the problem.

Yeah - in every analysis of Paul White, it left me thinking Jamail Jones.  Every analysis of Harris got me thinking Crowder.  Not in terms of actual college production, just in terms of style.  One screams perimeter floater, the other screams junkyard dog.  Both could be excellent college players, but one fits better here.  Luckily it's the one that's coming here.

[jsglow]

One of you guys can fill me in on how the process winds down. Is the most typical scenario along the lines of having offered 3 guys for a particular slot and the first to commit? Conversely, are some kids told they will have to wait on a decision by player X, for example?  Just seems like a very careful dance.

[Jay Bee]

One of you guys can fill me in on how the process winds down. Is the most typical scenario along the lines of having offered 3 guys for a particular slot and the first to commit? Conversely, are some kids told they will have to wait on a decision by player X, for example?  Just seems like a very careful dance.

Anything and everything is possible. Fluid.

[We R Final Four]

One of you guys can fill me in on how the process winds down. Is the most typical scenario along the lines of having offered 3 guys for a particular slot and the first to commit? Conversely, are some kids told they will have to wait on a decision by player X, for example?  Just seems like a very careful dance.

I was thinking the same thing.  JayBee seems to know most of these delicate situations.

What if player A--who may have just visited here, falls in love with MU and tells Buzz I want to come.  Does Buzz accept on the spot.  Does he call player B and tell him not to come at the end of the month.  Does he tell player A to wait a week.  Does he make a call to player C and tell him we need a decision or the scholly may be gone?  Obviously Buzz and the staff have a priority of their recruits.  I would guess that these recruits have an idea of the other recruits involved.  They or their people must know that there is only one scholly available for 3 players---in theory.  A careful dance indeed.

[BallBoy]

I'm not sure if that's true anymore. We seemed to drop out of contention for awhile, but VC just added Paul White back to our target board after previously taking him off. I think we are still in the race. Could be wrong though

They put him back on because he said he was reopening his recruitment.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2013/09/change_of_plans_for_youngs_pau.html

However, he is taking 4 of his previously planned visits and then scheduled Miami. He is heading to Georgetown this weekend. @hoyacutie33 and @hoyafanatic are excited for his visit. I think we aren't really an option.

[Dawson Rental]

They put him back on because he said he was reopening his recruitment.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2013/09/change_of_plans_for_youngs_pau.html

However, he is taking 4 of his previously planned visits and then scheduled Miami. He is heading to Georgetown this weekend. @hoyacutie33 and @hoyafanatic are excited for his visit. I think we aren't really an option.

Sounds like he's looking for immediate playing time, and yet he wants to be developed properly.  There could be some conflict there.  No wonder Miami got involved, if he's looking for playing time.  They lost just about everyone.

[Jay Bee]

Yeah - in every analysis of Paul White, it left me thinking Jamail Jones.  Every analysis of Harris got me thinking Crowder.  Not in terms of actual college production, just in terms of style.  One screams perimeter floater, the other screams junkyard dog.  Both could be excellent college players, but one fits better here.  Luckily it's the one that's coming here.

In general that's fair to differentiate Harris and White... but, Paul White vs. Jamail.. Jones in high school drifted a lot; sat looking for the three quite a bit with Montverde. White does more work mid-range and closer to the hoop and is decidedly taller. White also has shown he's capable of rebounding quite well.

With both players (Paul and Jamail) they are guys who look incredible at times and disappear at other times. If White is in the right program and can consistently bring it, he's going to produce nicely in college. I like White out on the baseline - will knock down a 15 footer with any space, can also use his size closer in.

Might be a guy whose eFG% is a tad lower than others because he will take mid-range shots, but in theory that can help your overall offense. Very good shooter, just his shot mix may dilute things. Bummer his arm snapped off in South Carolina - played limited minutes (just under 40%) for Meanstreets because of injuries this EYBL season, but his rebounding (especially defensive) and shot blocking impressed me.

Consistency, aggressive MU-type attitude and I think White's a nice addition to a program.

It's important to be mindful of how your roster stacks up in terms of positions, but if there's high quality talent out there I think you pursue it.

[bilsu]

Both White and Hill are falling in the rankings, so they may have peaked. I prefer players like Shayok and Lammers that are rising in the rankings.

[Jay Bee]

Both White and Hill are failling in the rankings, so they may have peaked. I prefer players like Shayok and Lammers that are rising in the rankings.

This is a great evaluation.

They're all different players; if you had to peg a single position to each, they'd be 4, 2, 3, 5 in the order listed above.

I don't know where these guys are ranked by whatever you're looking at, but I'd be very surprised if White and Hill weren't ranked higher than Lammers and Shayok.

Shayok and White especially possesses a good amount of potential to be better than where they are currently.

As for as rankings, I do recall Hill's being a bit high this spring so not surprised if he dropped slightly. White didn't play a ton, but he played well when he was on the court. Wouldn't think his ranking would have moved a lot this summer. Personally, I'm higher on him than I was pre-spring.

[MuMark]

Somebody who would know says MU is no longer involved with White. I guess time will tell but I would bet money that he will not end up here.


http://247sports.com/Player/Paul-White-15539/PlayerInstitutionPredictions

[bilsu]

This is a great evaluation.

They're all different players; if you had to peg a single position to each, they'd be 4, 2, 3, 5 in the order listed above.

I don't know where these guys are ranked by whatever you're looking at, but I'd be very surprised if White and Hill weren't ranked higher than Lammers and Shayok.

Shayok and White especially possesses a good amount of potential to be better than where they are currently.

As for as rankings, I do recall Hill's being a bit high this spring so not surprised if he dropped slightly. White didn't play a ton, but he played well when he was on the court. Wouldn't think his ranking would have moved a lot this summer. Personally, I'm higher on him than I was pre-spring.

I am not talking about positions. What I am saying that players that are falling in the rankings have less potential for future improvement than players that are rising in the rankings. I am saying that a recruit that has risen from out of the top 100 to 60 is likely to end up being a better recruit than one tht has fallen from 10 to 50.

[BallBoy]

I am not talking about positions. What I am saying that players that are falling in the rankings have less potential for future improvement than players that are rsiing in the rankings.

White had a broken arm which impacted his playing time and his ranking so I don't think that is a valid measure in this scenario.

[Jay Bee]

Somebody who would know says MU is no longer involved with White. I guess time will tell but I would bet money that he will not end up here.

http://247sports.com/Player/Paul-White-15539/PlayerInstitutionPredictions

That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?

I am not talking about positions. What I am saying that players that are falling in the rankings have less potential for future improvement than players that are rising in the rankings. I am saying that a recruit that has risen from out of the top 100 to 60 is likely to end up being a better recruit than one tht has fallen from 10 to 50.

OK, but who of those guys rose from "out of the top 100 to 60" and who fell "from 10 to 50"? (Also trying to figure out why 60 is better than 50, but OK.)

[bilsu]

That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?

OK, but who of those guys rose from "out of the top 100 to 60" and who fell "from 10 to 50"? (Also trying to figure out why 60 is better than 50, but OK.)

I am not talking a specific player, but pointing out my opinion that a player falling significantly in the rankings is a big red flag. A player moving up from nowhere to a top 100 ranking is a positive sign. Players that are not improving often turn out to be marginal players. I think Jones and Williams both fill that category in that they stopped improving.

[thehammock]

@jeffborzello: RT @JustinDYoung: Ahmed Hill will visit Indiana Oct. 4. Mizzou is Nov. 1. Only visits scheduled.

[Dawson Rental]

That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?

OK, but who of those guys rose from "out of the top 100 to 60" and who fell "from 10 to 50"? (Also trying to figure out why 60 is better than 50, but OK.)

60 isn't better than 50, that was his point.  You want the guy who is ranked 60 over the guy who is ranked 50 (which normally you wouldn't) because the guy who is ranked 60 is on the rise while the #50 guy's stock is falling, and therefore (or so Bilsu's argument goes) the #60 guy will probably continue to rise and have the better college career than the higher ranked guy who has peaked and is falling.  No one in particular was mentioned, bilsu was talking "in theory", although parallels could be made to Ahmed Hill (falling) and to Sandy Cohen (on the rise).

[Jay Bee]

60 isn't better than 50, that was his point.  You want the guy who is ranked 60 over the guy who is ranked 50 (which normally you wouldn't) because the guy who is ranked 60 is on the rise while the #50 guy's stock is falling, and therefore (or so Bilsu's argument goes) the #60 guy will probably continue to rise and have the better college career than the higher ranked guy who has peaked and is falling.  No one in particular was mentioned, bilsu was talking "in theory", although parallels could be made to Ahmed Hill (falling) and to Sandy Cohen (on the rise).

Both White and Hill are falling in the rankings, so they may have peaked. I prefer players like Shayok and Lammers that are rising in the rankings.

I think Jones and Williams both fill that category in that they stopped improving.

[brewcity77]

That's a nice website gimmick, but doesn't look like a link to whoever you're talking about (the somebody who would know and what they said)... who/what did you hear?

It's all moot now since White committed, but I've known for months that Marquette was no longer pursuing White. But I'm not going to cite the posts where I read that or announce the people that told me that. Not a gimmick, but pretty sure it's been mentioned numerous times on here that White wouldn't be coming, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone (especially that he went to GT, largely perceived as the leader for awhile).

[tower912]

The longer MU goes without landing a big in this class, the more I get the feeling that the big is going to be another McKay-like JUCO.    Athletic 6'9-6'10 player with a high motor.  I can't give you a reason, just a feeling. 

[Atticus]

60 isn't better than 50, that was his point.  You want the guy who is ranked 60 over the guy who is ranked 50 (which normally you wouldn't) because the guy who is ranked 60 is on the rise while the #50 guy's stock is falling, and therefore (or so Bilsu's argument goes) the #60 guy will probably continue to rise and have the better college career than the higher ranked guy who has peaked and is falling.  No one in particular was mentioned, bilsu was talking "in theory", although parallels could be made to Ahmed Hill (falling) and to Sandy Cohen (on the rise).

I want the guy that fits the system. Thankfully, coaches don't care about rankings.

[LAZER]

@jeffborzello: RT @JustinDYoung: Ahmed Hill will visit Indiana Oct. 4. Mizzou is Nov. 1. Only visits scheduled.

Buzz has an in home scheduled with Hill tomorrow.