2017 SG Phillip Flory commits to Marquette

[ChicosBailBonds]

1. He started at a D1 school much later because nobody asked him earlier.

2. Wisconsin may have historically "sucked balls", but wasn't Dick Bennett (Final 4, etc) the one who changed that?

3. Carneseca, Montgomery, Majerus and Fisher all made the Final 4 but I won't argue with comparing them with Bo. That's legit. But Wooden, Smith and Thompson? That's delusional.

I didn't think I was comparing their coaching abilities to Ryan....I thought I was comparing the fact kids don't mind playing for older coaches who win....which Ryan does.

[bilsu]

The age does not matter. Personality types do matter. An atheist is probably not going to play for Buzz.

[LloydMooresLegs]

No, they had 5 Cardinals. 

Boom!

[wadesworld]

Yes in those examples they did, though Steve Fisher's ride was unique.  NCAA tournament is a crap shoot.  Ryan is a great coach, lots of kids want to play for him whether he is 65 or not.

Today's 65 is also a hell of a lot different than Wooden's 65 or Smith's or Louies.  I'd say today's 65 is more like 55 from 20 years ago.

While game to game the NCAA Tournament is more or less a crap shoot, it is not ironic that certain coaches straight up own the NCAA Tournament and other coaches just can't win big in the NCAA Tournament.  It is not a coincidence that Bo Ryan has just one win in the NCAA Tournament over a team that was seeded higher than him in his entire career.  He has many, many more losses to lower seeded teams.  Meanwhile, coaches like Self, Izzo, Coach K, Stevens etc. kick ass when the calendar turns to March.

My guess is that more kids would rather finish in the 3-7 range of their conference and make a deep tournament run consistently than be in the 1-3 range of their conference and bow out early in the NCAA Tournament.

So I don't think it's fair to completely disregard the criticism of a coach who cannot get it done in the NCAA Tournament and just call it a crapshoot.  There's a method to the Madness.

[Lennys Tap]

Today's 65 is also a hell of a lot different than Wooden's 65 or Smith's or Louies.  I'd say today's 65 is more like 55 from 20 years ago.

So in the past 20 years I've only aged 10. When does the aging process stop completely? That will be awesome!

[ChicosBailBonds]

While game to game the NCAA Tournament is more or less a crap shoot, it is not ironic that certain coaches straight up own the NCAA Tournament and other coaches just can't win big in the NCAA Tournament.  It is not a coincidence that Bo Ryan has just one win in the NCAA Tournament over a team that was seeded higher than him in his entire career.  He has many, many more losses to lower seeded teams.  Meanwhile, coaches like Self, Izzo, Coach K, Stevens etc. kick ass when the calendar turns to March.

My guess is that more kids would rather finish in the 3-7 range of their conference and make a deep tournament run consistently than be in the 1-3 range of their conference and bow out early in the NCAA Tournament.

So I don't think it's fair to completely disregard the criticism of a coach who cannot get it done in the NCAA Tournament and just call it a crapshoot.  There's a method to the Madness.

He has a lot of wins in the NCAA tournament, primarily because his teams earned those seeds.

I know it's hard for many MU fans to understand the importance of conference titles since we have only won 3 in our entire history and played as an independent for decades, but conference titles are huge for many programs.  Having a chance to win the Big Ten title is a big deal.  You get that with Ryan.  Having a chance to win the ACC conference title, or SEC, or Pac 12, Big East, etc is a big deal.  I don't know why so many here dismiss what a team does for 18 games and 3 months of a long season. 

I'd ask you to look at what the goals are of teams and coaches?  They usually rank them in priority and the first priority is WINNING THE CONFERENCE. 

Can you imagine a coach saying, "Guys, the goal is to finish 3rd through 7th in our conference this year and then we hope we'll make a deep run in the NCAA tournament".  Really? 

No the goal is to win your conference, get into the NCAA Tournament and hopefully go deep.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So in the past 20 years I've only aged 10. When does the aging process stop completely? That will be awesome!

When you take a dirt nap

[77ncaachamps]

Amazing.

Flory making an impact on scoop with a 9 page (and counting!) thread AS A HS FRESHMAN!!!

[GoldenBoy16]

GoldenBoy16,

Is this sarcasm, or are you backing of on your prediction?

Not backing of it, just sick of people messaging me telling me to take it down because it might affect our chances.