Whatever happened to Hiroshima?

[Dr. Blackheart]

The fact that some of the guys have left school to train for the draft hasn't sat well either.

Or that they all earned millions when they did it.

[Earl Tatum]

WHO CARES!

[wadesworld]

Hiroshima happened. It was today, when none of us could get on Scoop at work. The horror!

[jsglow]

There is no doubt that Fr. P has a bit of a different focus from Fr. Wild but it really has nothing to do with intercollegiate athletics from what I know.  I'd say the shift is toward a higher commitment on academics and a bit away from administration.  Remember that he's a teacher by trade so the emphasis is moving from that 3rd assistant in the Office of Diversity to that Associate Professor of Chemistry.  And yes academic standards were raised.  I've heard many times from prominent folks that all students should at least achieve 2.0 and be appropriately focused on their education.  I'm sure there was universal disappointment when Vander decided not only to leave school but to also drop out (for understandable reasons) as soon as he declared for the draft in April.

I guess the point I'd like to emphasize is that I truly believe Buzz, Larry and Fr. P all see it roughly the same way.  The possible nuance I imagine is that Buzz seems to feel strongly about giving the 'underprivileged' or 'ill prepared' kid a shot.     

[wadesworld]

There is no doubt that Fr. P has a bit of a different focus from Fr. Wild but it really has nothing to do with intercollegiate athletics from what I know.  I'd say the shift is toward a higher commitment on academics and a bit away from administration.  Remember that he's a teacher by trade so the emphasis is moving from that 3rd assistant in the Office of Diversity to that Associate Professor of Chemistry.  And yes academic standards were raised.  I've heard many times from prominent folks that all students should at least achieve 2.0 and be appropriately focused on their education.  I'm sure there was universal disappointment when Vander decided not only to leave school but to also drop out (for understandable reasons) as soon as he declared for the draft in April.

I guess the point I'd like to emphasize is that I truly believe Buzz, Larry and Fr. P all see it roughly the same way.  The possible nuance I imagine is that Buzz seems to feel strongly about giving the 'underprivileged' or 'ill prepared' kid a shot.     

Which is exactly what the Jesuits committed to doing, provide education to people who would not otherwise get the opportunity. If Father P isn't OK with that, maybe this Jesuit institution should look to someone who understands the meaning of being a Jesuit. Then again, when my brother had his PSAT results sent to 5 schools and I saw the statistics that they sent back on the results, Marquette gave 0% of it's students money based on needs whereas the other schools he sent them to (Loyola, Xavier, and 2 other private, "like-minded" schools) gave 60% or more of it's students money based on need. So maybe that's just how the Jesuit school Marquette is doing it.

[jsglow]

Which is exactly what the Jesuits committed to doing, provide education to people who would not otherwise get the opportunity. If Father P isn't OK with that, maybe this Jesuit institution should look to someone who understands the meaning of being a Jesuit. Then again, when my brother had his PSAT results sent to 5 schools and I saw the statistics that they sent back on the results, Marquette gave 0% of it's students money based on needs whereas the other schools he sent them to (Loyola, Xavier, and 2 other private, "like-minded" schools) gave 60% or more of it's students money based on need. So maybe that's just how the Jesuit school Marquette is doing it.

I think you're reaching just a bit wade.  Never suggested that Fr. P doesn't fully support education for all regardless of background.  Rather I'd speculate that he'd expect all who are provided the opportunity to take advantage.  Big difference.  I do think he firmly believes in the 'graduation track' and that might be what you're commenting on.  As to your comment about need vs. merit scholarship I'm not sure how that fits into the discussion.  MU's 'first in the family to college' stat is approximately 20%.

[GGGG]

The fact that some of the guys have left school to train for the draft hasn't sat well either.

Which is one of the reasons you aren't going to see many two year JUCOs.

Here's the deal.  Many basketball players take physical education programs at Jucos.  MU doesn't have a Phy Ed program, and therefore their credits don't transfer.  Therefore when they get here, they have more than two years worth of work to do.  They don't graduate..and now you have an APR hit.

Three year Jucos like DJO (graduated) and JFB (who marched but last I heard hadn't graduated) are different.  As is McKay because he committed so early that he was able to figure out his transfer credits early enough.

I am sure Buzz is still able to recruit the two year Jucos, but either they have to be on them early or taken the right course work early enough.  (But that's tough because two year Jucos are non-qualifiers to begin with.)

[Eldon]

Why the change to our JUCO strategy?  I mean why put more stringent requirements on them?  Does Father P and company feel like accepting a JUCO and not having him graduate is a black mark on the program?  Or the university more generally?  Does it really diminish the academics of the university if we accept a few JUCOs here and there, or have a few guys leave early for the draft and never graduate?

What motivated the change?

[GGGG]

Why the change to our JUCO strategy?  I mean why put more stringent requirements on them?  Does Father P and company feel like accepting a JUCO and not having him graduate is a black mark on the program?  Or the university more generally?  Does it really diminish the academics of the university if we accept a few JUCOs here and there, or have a few guys leave early for the draft and never graduate?

What motivated the change?

The not accepting Phy Ed credits is a university wide thing.  (You can actually find it on the web site.)  I think it has an impact on the basketball players  like I mentioned above, and impacts the APR for the university as well.

[KenoshaWarrior]

There was way more to it that that.
There was Buzz leaving.
There was Buzz leaving at the end of the 2013 season (one poster claimed there was a "handshake deal" to that effect).
There was downsizing the program to SLU status.
There was a ban on JUCO recruiting.
There was the forced suspension/expulsion of Todd Mayo.
Go back and read the threads, if you must.

Pretty much summed it up.  As i recall about half of the posters believed that 2013 was Buzz' last year

[brandx]

Pretty much summed it up.  As i recall about half of the posters believed that 2013 was Buzz' last year

And it was all because a couple guys had "inside" information.

[Dawson Rental]

And it was all because a couple guys had "inside" information.

Someone should have asked what exactly the information had been inside.