I forget

[ErickJD08]

Didn't James declare for the draft after his freshmen year?  Wasn't it not "official" until he hired an agent?  And he did it just to participate or something?  Just thinking about the chances Blue re-considers.

Thanks

[Badgerhater]

I don't have the precise details, but the rules have changed since DJ's day.

[brewcity77]

According to his wiki page, James declared after his sophomore year but took his name out of consideration before the draft. But obviously the rules have changed...James withdrew from the draft on June 17, 2007.

[Benny B]

Blue can drop out of the draft any time he wants... but he's already foregone his NCAA eligibility by not withdrawing from the draft before Tuesday.



ZEROpoint zero-zero-zero-zero-zero chance Blue is playing at MU next year.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Not sure about James, and I'm completely confused about Vander's situation. Apparently the April 16th NCAA underclassmen declaration deadline is essentially pointless and being ignored, as the NBA's declaration deadline of April 28th is more important. I found an article about these dates, guys such as Doug McDermott are ignoring the April 16th deadline and focusing on the April 28th. Apparently since Vander publicly announced he was declaring before the April 16th deadline he now is entered and can't come back. If he would've waited until the 28th deadline he could've thought over his decision more and gathered more info before he made a choice.

Here's the article, there's a paragraph on Blue's decision.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22084078/ncaas-irrelevant-draft-deadline-is-today

[AirPunches]

Not sure about James, and I'm completely confused about Vander's situation. Apparently the April 16th NCAA underclassmen declaration deadline is essentially pointless and being ignored, as the NBA's declaration deadline of April 28th is more important. I found an article about these dates, guys such as Doug McDermott are ignoring the April 16th deadline and focusing on the April 28th. Apparently since Vander publicly announced he was declaring before the April 16th deadline he now is entered and can't come back. If he would've waited until the 28th deadline he could've thought over his decision more and gathered more info before he made a choice.

Here's the article, there's a paragraph on Blue's decision.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22084078/ncaas-irrelevant-draft-deadline-is-today

Did Vander officially declare though or did he just verbal like a recruit does? Is that all it takes to declare or does he need to sign something with the NBA? I think he can come back if he hasn't signed with an agent or officially declared. I also think the chance is right around 0% that he comes back.

[swoopem]

Like Jerry Garcia once said "like a steam locomotive rolling down the tracks he's gone. gone, and nothings gonna bring him back...he's gone"

Time to move forward.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Did Vander officially declare though or did he just verbal like a recruit does? Is that all it takes to declare or does he need to sign something with the NBA? I think he can come back if he hasn't signed with an agent or officially declared. I also think the chance is right around 0% that he comes back.

I'm so confused, I'm not sure if he's signed with an agent or anything, and now I think it's possible for him to return if he hasn't signed with an agent. But I have no idea. The NCAA really made these rules confusing. From every article I've seen, Vander said that he plans on signing with an agent. If he does that then his eligibility is eliminated and there's no going back. I'm not sure about all the variables of this whole situation though.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Here's an excerpt from an article from nbcsports.com

"The NCAA's rule is that any player that has entered the NBA Draft with eligibility remaining and that hasn't signed with an agent must withdraw their name from consideration by April 16th or lose their collegiate eligibility"

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/16/april-16th-is-nba-drafts-withdrawal-deadline-underclassmen-still-have-12-days-to-declare/

If I read that right then Vander can't come back even if he didn't sign with an agent. He declared before the end of the April 16th deadline, with eligibility remaining.

[GGGG]

Here's an excerpt from an article from nbcsports.com

"The NCAA's rule is that any player that has entered the NBA Draft with eligibility remaining and that hasn't signed with an agent must withdraw their name from consideration by April 16th or lose their collegiate eligibility"

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/16/april-16th-is-nba-drafts-withdrawal-deadline-underclassmen-still-have-12-days-to-declare/

If I read that right then Vander can't come back even if he didn't sign with an agent. He declared before the end of the April 16th deadline, with eligibility remaining.

You are correct.  He's gone.

[brewcity77]

Blue can drop out of the draft any time he wants... but he's already foregone his NCAA eligibility by not withdrawing from the draft before Tuesday.

Unless he either hasn't submitted his paperwork yet, or hasn't officially hired an agent. If that's the case he can come back because technically, by NCAA rules, he never left. That said I agree with you, he won't be back.

[Nukem2]

He would have to file his paperwork or sign with an agent to be subject to the NCAa rule, just like McDermott.  Don't know that he has actually done either yet,  but don't hold your breath.  An announcement does not count. If Van does not file the paperwork and does not sign with an agent, he could stay.  Again, don't hold your breath.  Most of these guys have announced on or before the 16th to help out their school/coach in knowing that a scholie would be available.  Which was the intent of the NCAA rule in the first place.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

He would have to file his paperwork or sign with an agent to be subject to the NCAa rule, just like McDermott.  Don't know that he has actually done either yet,  but don't hold your breath.  An announcement does not count. If Van does not file the paperwork and does not sign with an agent, he could stay.  Again, don't hold your breath.  Most of these guys have announced on or before the 16th to help out their school/coach in knowing that a scholie would be available.  Which was the intent of the NCAA rule in the first place.

That's true, he might not've technically declared yet, he just announced that he plans to. Maybe he did sign paperwork and all this speculation is pointless, maybe he hasn't signed anything yet, but nobody knows except Vander and those around him.

[MU82]

Rules have changed significantly since the Amigos were here. And, of course, they have changed to the complete detriment of the "student-athlete."

NCAA institutions squeeze every ounce they can out of these kids and stack almost every meaningful rule against them. Coaches, ADs and school presidents can come and go like the breeze, raking in money even when they fail and are fired, but if an athlete decides he wants to change his mind ... tough luck, buddy!

And in the rare instance where an athlete takes advantage of a loophole that actually works for him -- as Trent Lockett and Russell Wilson did -- many clueless clods whine about the loophole being unfair and needing to be closed.

I'm not crying for these guys because they know the score going in, but it would be nice for a change to see some new rules that actually benefit the kids who make it possible for these schools to make money hand over fist.

[MU72491]

He declared but didn't get an agent so that's why he could come back, does anyone know when the deadline this year is to come back to school if you don't sign an agent?

[GGGG]

He declared but didn't get an agent so that's why he could come back, does anyone know when the deadline this year is to come back to school if you don't sign an agent?

Did you even read the thread?  The date (April 16) was listed about six posts above yours.

[dgies9156]

1) This may be splitting legal hairs but as a couple of posters pointed out, what is a formal declaration for the draft? Just saying so and doing so are two different things. If he has not filed the paperwork or otherwise formally said, "this is what I am going to do," he has an out. I'm sure the NCAA has stacked the deck against the student athlete as they always do, but there may be an out if the paperwork has not yet been filed.

2) Marquette had something similar to this in 1974 with Maurice Lucas. Times have changed, yes, but Marquette and Al McGuire were ready to litigate the NCAA to compel them to bring Lucas back when Maurice said, "the heck with it" and went pro.

3) Given the high profile of Vander's declaration, I do think he's gone. Good luck Vander and we're pulling for the experts to be wrong.

[GooooMarquette]

Can he give his last year of eligibility to Chris, so Chris could come back again in 2014-15?

[brewcity77]

Dgies, there is paperwork involved. Players have until April 28 to submit the paperwork, but any paperwork not withdrawn by or submitted after April 16 cannot be taken back. The only possibility now is if Van didn't submit the paperwork. From everything I've heard, that's highly unlikely.

[Sunbelt15]

Dgies, there is paperwork involved. Players have until April 28 to submit the paperwork, but any paperwork not withdrawn by or submitted after April 16 cannot be taken back. The only possibility now is if Van didn't submit the paperwork. From everything I've heard, that's highly unlikely.

And these are the facts, Jack!!

[willie warrior]

Can he give his last year of eligibility to Chris, so Chris could come back again in 2014-15?

Great idea! And Ferguson, Thomas and Juan could donate their years so Otule could play to about 2020.

[MU72491]

@Terror Skink
I simply date would have answered the question, but thanks for the info

[GGGG]

@Terror Skink
I simply date would have answered the question, but thanks for the info

The date was given *four* times in this thread...five if you include mine.