Duane Wilson - Nike eybl Dallas recap

[romey]

Stiemsma, Jon Leuer, and Devin Harris.  The great Alando Tucker got bounced after 2009.

That should be all, I think.

How can you forget Leuer????

[Hards Alumni]

How can you forget Leuer????

no idea!

[cheebs09]

How does the raw number of Duke players in the NBA refute the idea that once they get there they underachieve and aren't stars?

Yea, thinking about it my statement doesn't make a ton of sense. Even if high draft picks aren't stars, they can still have nice 10 year careers. Kwame Brown is still getting a paycheck.

My thinking was by not having stars and more underachievers, then it is tougher to have such a high number. Seeing how good players like McNeal and James are having a tough time cracking the league, I found it surprising they would have that many when they don't have a ton of stars in the league.

[Hards Alumni]

Yea, thinking about it my statement doesn't make a ton of sense. Even if high draft picks aren't stars, they can still have nice 10 year careers. Kwame Brown is still getting a paycheck.

My thinking was by not having stars and more underachievers, then it is tougher to have such a high number. Seeing how good players like McNeal and James are having a tough time cracking the league, I found it surprising they would have that many when they don't have a ton of stars in the league.

McNeal and James were both undersized for the NBA... I think DJO will have this same problem.

[Henry Sugar]

McNeal and James were both undersized for the NBA... I think DJO will have this same problem.

Did you know... there is very little correlation between a player's relative height at a position and how good they end up being in the NBA?

The reason DJO won't make the NBA is related to other reasons. 

[Hards Alumni]

Did you know... there is very little correlation between a player's relative height at a position and how good they end up being in the NBA?

The reason DJO won't make the NBA is related to other reasons. 

Do you have proof of this?  Aside from outliers such as Allen Iverson, the number of players who are under 6' (like Dom) playing is extremely small.  And SGs under 6'2 (McNeal and DJO) is extremely small as well.

fwiw I think DJO could be a pretty decent NBA player.  Less offensive fouls would get him to the line a lot, plus he can shoot the ball and create his own shot... he plays good D.

Remember, NBA GMs are drafting on potential, and size... not college production.

[Tugg Speedman]

Only TWO NON-McD'sAA...

Here's Duke's List: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/colleges.cgi?college=duke

1   Kyrie Irving           2012   2012
2   Nolan Smith      2012   2012
3   Lance Thomas   2012   2012
4   Gerald Henderson   2010   2012
5   Josh McRoberts   2008   2012
6   J.J. Redick           2007   2012
7   Shelden Williams   2007   2012
8   Luol Deng           2005   2012
9   Chris Duhon           2005   2012
10   Dahntay Jones   2004   2012
11   Carlos Boozer   2003   2012   
12   Mike Dunleavy   2003   2012
13   Shane Battier   2002   2012
14   Elton Brand           2000   2012
15   Corey Maggette   2000   2012
16   Grant Hill            1995  2012


Only TWO. In Bold.

http://www.dukeupdate.com/Records/mcdonalds_allamerica.htm

Regarding Duke players in the NBA

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_duke_players_have_won_an_NBA_title

Since the "Coach K" era started only one duke player has a NBA championship ring: Danny Ferry won a ring as a bench warmer with the San Antonio Spurs during his stint in the 2002-03 season. Prior to the Coach K era, the only Duke player to win a ring was Jeff Mullins, by then no longer a starter but still a contributor for the Golden State Warriors during the 1974-75 season.

[Henry Sugar]

Do you have proof of this?  Aside from outliers such as Allen Iverson, the number of players who are under 6' (like Dom) playing is extremely small.  And SGs under 6'2 (McNeal and DJO) is extremely small as well.

fwiw I think DJO could be a pretty decent NBA player.  Less offensive fouls would get him to the line a lot, plus he can shoot the ball and create his own shot... he plays good D.

Remember, NBA GMs are drafting on potential, and size... not college production.

My new stats project is tinkering around with the link between college production and NBA performance.  Yes, I have proof of my statement and found the result very surprising. 

[Hards Alumni]

My new stats project is tinkering around with the link between college production and NBA performance.  Yes, I have proof of my statement and found the result very surprising. 

awesome, I always sort of wonder about stuff like this... I'd love to see it when you're finished.

[GGGG]

Did you know... there is very little correlation between a player's relative height at a position and how good they end up being in the NBA?

The reason DJO won't make the NBA is related to other reasons. 

But the trouble you are going to run into is defining position.  DJO is going to have trouble in the NBA because of his ball handling.  However, Steve Novak isn't a good ball handler either.  The fact that he is tall is part of his advantage however.  Are you saying that if Novak were DJO's height that he would statistically have the same type of performance?

[Henry Sugar]

But the trouble you are going to run into is defining position.  DJO is going to have trouble in the NBA because of his ball handling.  However, Steve Novak isn't a good ball handler either.  The fact that he is tall is part of his advantage however.  Are you saying that if Novak were DJO's height that he would statistically have the same type of performance?

You raise good positions about height and positioning.  I'm basing my statement on the idea that there are many successful players that are 1-2" inches shorter than their average position height, just as there are many players 1-2" taller than their average position height that are not successful.

DJO's height is going to be an issue for him at his most likely position.  After all, he's 2-3" shorter than the average SG in the NBA.  But even if you slot him as a PG, he still doesn't stand out compared to other players in the draft or the league.

My point is that the reason he shouldn't make the NBA is primarily due to other factors beyond his height. 

[GGGG]

But you are letting height determine his position and not his game. He has never been a PG. That would be like saying "Novak is tall like a center but that won't determine why he can't play it in the nba."

[Henry Sugar]

But you are letting height determine his position and not his game. He has never been a PG. That would be like saying "Novak is tall like a center but that won't determine why he can't play it in the nba."

DJO's height is not why he won't be good, regardless of what position he plays.  The reason he shouldn't make the NBA is primarily due to other factors beyond his height.

[Silkk the Shaka]

DJO's height is not why he won't be good, regardless of what position he plays.  The reason he shouldn't make the NBA is primarily due to other factors beyond his height.

Careful Sugar... GOMU85 might call you out for not being a "real fan" with an analytical post like that.

[Bocephys]

Careful Sugar... GOMU85 might call you out for not being a "real fan" with an analytical post like that.

And then ask if you're mad at him.