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Quote from: jmayer1 on May 01, 2012, 10:39:45 AM
No matter how many times you repeat that, you're still wrong. Novak shoots by far most of his shots off the catch and shoot, maybe more than anyone in the league. PRN was right, Novak is a guy that is never going to do much creating off the dribble.

You are a little late to the conversation.  PRN originally said, "Steve is one of my all time favorite Marquette players...absolutely loved him. But he never developed the ability to shoot off the dribble or off movement. And he still can't"

It is as if you guys didn't watch his junior or senior seasons.

At the NBA level he will have a very difficult time creating his own shot, but in college he did quite frequently.  PRN is dead wrong on his claim that Novak couldn't because he did it in college routinely.  Crean didn't have an offense that isolated Novak on screens all day long.  At times they would screen for him, but he had to move, often with the ball, to create his shot.  He had that nice post up move from the elbow as well.

For those of you without memories, a nice 2 minute video captures it pretty well. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/_A3o2Mzm8qU
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Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 03, 2012, 02:08:25 PM
You are a little late to the conversation.  PRN originally said, "Steve is one of my all time favorite Marquette players...absolutely loved him. But he never developed the ability to shoot off the dribble or off movement. And he still can't"

It is as if you guys didn't watch his junior or senior seasons.

At the NBA level he will have a very difficult time creating his own shot, but in college he did quite frequently.  PRN is dead wrong on his claim that Novak couldn't because he did it in college routinely.  Crean didn't have an offense that isolated Novak on screens all day long.  At times they would screen for him, but he had to move, often with the ball, to create his shot.  He had that nice post up move from the elbow as well.

For those of you without memories, a nice 2 minute video captures it pretty well.  



Actually, I'm not late to the conversation, I just didn't reply before because this is a simply asinine statement for anybody that watched Novak at MU. He did not create his own shot quite frequently in college, rather he did it quite infrequently. In his 4 years, he took 3 point shots on 73.6% of his field goal attempts (768 of 1044) with the vast, vast majority of those coming on kick-outs and really no decrease in the percentage he took after his freshman year (96.5% freshman year, 71.4%, 69.4%, and 71.3% his last 3 years). The Notre Dame shot was by far the exception, not the rule.

For those of you without memories, a nice 2 minute video captures it pretty well (by rough count of the MU highlights, 15 of 21 (71.4%) shots came without a dribble). By my estimation and I think just about everyone else's, that is pretty infrequent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85vUMWtMz0


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Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 03, 2012, 02:08:25 PM
You are a little late to the conversation.  PRN originally said, "Steve is one of my all time favorite Marquette players...absolutely loved him. But he never developed the ability to shoot off the dribble or off movement. And he still can't"

It is as if you guys didn't watch his junior or senior seasons.

At the NBA level he will have a very difficult time creating his own shot, but in college he did quite frequently.  PRN is dead wrong on his claim that Novak couldn't because he did it in college routinely.  Crean didn't have an offense that isolated Novak on screens all day long.  At times they would screen for him, but he had to move, often with the ball, to create his shot.  He had that nice post up move from the elbow as well.

For those of you without memories, a nice 2 minute video captures it pretty well. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/_A3o2Mzm8qU

PRN and jmayer1 are 100% correct. Novak is, was and will always be a catch and shoot guy. Arguing differently is silly.

Hoopaloop

Quote from: jmayer1 on May 03, 2012, 04:49:09 PM
Actually, I'm not late to the conversation, I just didn't reply before because this is a simply asinine statement for anybody that watched Novak at MU. He did not create his own shot quite frequently in college, rather he did it quite infrequently. In his 4 years, he took 3 point shots on 73.6% of his field goal attempts (768 of 1044) with the vast, vast majority of those coming on kick-outs and really no decrease in the percentage he took after his freshman year (96.5% freshman year, 71.4%, 69.4%, and 71.3% his last 3 years). The Notre Dame shot was by far the exception, not the rule.

For those of you without memories, a nice 2 minute video captures it pretty well (by rough count of the MU highlights, 15 of 21 (71.4%) shots came without a dribble). By my estimation and I think just about everyone else's, that is pretty infrequent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p85vUMWtMz0




Your video, 71%.  That means 29% he did create.  Does 29% = never as PRN stated? No, it doesn't.

The video I put up, 6 of 7 shots he took were off the dribble.  85% were off the dribble.  Is 85% = never?  No, it doesn't.

Both are limited samples, both show he could shoot off the dribble and create his own shot if needed.  The claim that he NEVER could do it is wrong.  That is the asinine statement, not mine. 

I fully acknowledge that he is a phenomenal 3 point shooter, maybe the best on the planet.  I fully acknowledge that most of his attempts were 3 pointers (of course, some of those he had to create separation and move with the ball as well).  What I do not understand is PRN, Ners, and several other posters here saying the cat basically just popped and shot, some even saying that's all he ever did.  They are wrong and the videos prove it. It is unfortunate that some of you missed some of his game or have memory loss to have forgotten it.  Steve came to MU as a stand still 3 point shooter in the college game (though in high school did much more).  By the time he left MU, he was more than a stand still shooter.  It is unfortunate that some feel the need to diminish his game or have no sense of what else he could do.  The videos show otherwise.

What a great player and representative of Marquette.

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