Charles Pierce Article on Wisconsin v. Syracuse

[GGGG]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7726923/bo-ryan-wisconsin-syracuse-sweet-16

This is pretty damn funny.  His "answers" to Bo's quotes at the end of the game are hilarious. 

I also found this interesting...on the differences between Syracuse and Wisconsin.  Maybe Hoopaloop could pass it along to Chicos next time they get together:

"One system is not better than the other. The players in one system are not smarter than the players in the other. The fundamentals of one are different from the fundamentals of the other, and both of these teams were fundamentally sound because basketball's fundamentals are vast. They contain multitudes."

[JD]

"It was ok"


Thanks for the pick me up.

[Hoopaloop]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7726923/bo-ryan-wisconsin-syracuse-sweet-16

This is pretty damn funny.  His "answers" to Bo's quotes at the end of the game are hilarious. 

I also found this interesting...on the differences between Syracuse and Wisconsin.  Maybe Hoopaloop could pass it along to Chicos next time they get together:

"One system is not better than the other. The players in one system are not smarter than the players in the other. The fundamentals of one are different from the fundamentals of the other, and both of these teams were fundamentally sound because basketball's fundamentals are vast. They contain multitudes."

I thought Charles Pierce was public enemy #3 here after this article.


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27392.0


Those traditional guys last night were a whisker from going to the Elite 8.  They were in it the entire game.  I am glad the Cuse won or today would be extra miserable.

[MUMac]

My favorite part:

"There wasn't any panic."

(There wasn't any second option, either. You got a hoist-it-up 28-footer and a wild heave. The only reason you'd draw a play up this way is if you ran out of chalk before the good part.)

[GGGG]

I thought Charles Pierce was public enemy #3 here after this article.

Only with a handful of posters...

[Lennys Tap]

I thought Charles Pierce was public enemy #3 here after this article.

The article that made him your hero?

[karavotsos]

"One system is not better than the other. The players in one system are not smarter than the players in the other. The fundamentals of one are different from the fundamentals of the other, and both of these teams were fundamentally sound because basketball's fundamentals are vast. They contain multitudes."

With one defense allowing over 50% shooting and the other allowing over 50% shooting from 3-point land, neither was a very good defensive system.  And both defenses are pretty singular, offering very few adjustments. 

Any writer can sound profound when he steals from Walt Whitman, but the reality is both offenses looked really good because neither coach, within his defensive system, was able to adjust to the other team's strengths and make the other team uncomfortable offensively in any way, shape or form.  See that as more of a failure than any type of great success of basketball fundamentals. 

[wildbill sb]

(There wasn't any second option, either. You got a hoist-it-up 28-footer and a wild heave. The only reason you'd draw a play up this way is if you ran out of chalk before the good part.)



+1 bazillion.  This is one of the funniest cracks I've read in days!  Thank you.

[ecompt]

Wisconsin was absolutely, positively, 1,000 percent clueless on its final two possessions. For such a great "swing offense" coach, that's inexcusable.

[GGGG]

With one defense allowing over 50% shooting and the other allowing over 50% shooting from 3-point land, neither was a very good defensive system.  And both defenses are pretty singular, offering very few adjustments. 

Any writer can sound profound when he steals from Walt Whitman, but the reality is both offenses looked really good because neither coach, within his defensive system, was able to adjust to the other team's strengths and make the other team uncomfortable offensively in any way, shape or form.  See that as more of a failure than any type of great success of basketball fundamentals. 

The point he was making was that Wisconsin gets a lot of credit in general for being fundamentally sounds, but don't give Syracuse the same credit.

[karavotsos]

The point I am making is that fundamentals include defense.  The point of defense is to test the fundamental soundness of the other team on offense.  Neither team put pressure on the other team's offensive fundamentals in this game, so this game gave no one any greater understanding of either team's fundamental soundness.  Not really what the game was about.  Just made for some nice-sounding prose.

If SU sits dead in the post against Sullinger like they did against Gates in the BEast tourney, could be a long game for them.

[GGGG]

I agree...but that point of the article was more than just about that particular game.

[karavotsos]

Fair enough.  My comments are no doubt colored by my bias against both Bo Ryan and Jim Boeheim and my feeling that they are both over-rated as coaches.

[bilsu]

Fair enough.  My comments are no doubt colored by my bias against both Bo Ryan and Jim Boeheim and my feeling that they are both over-rated as coaches.

Given all the games they have wonj, they are not overrated.

[karavotsos]

Lack of talent was not the reason SU lost to OSU today.  Nor was the loss of Fab Melo.  I can tell you that much.

[4everwarriors]

tOSU is a better team

[Hoopaloop]

Wisconsin was absolutely, positively, 1,000 percent clueless on its final two possessions. For such a great "swing offense" coach, that's inexcusable.

I would agree with this.  However, the first 39 minutes their fundamental play positioned them to move on to the Elite 8.  They played very well against Syracuse.

[karavotsos]

tOSU is a better team

Only because Boeheim fails to take any risks to attempt to take advantage of the talent on his team.  With Triche, Scoop and Waiters he never goes 3 guards.  Instead, he gets in a half-court street fight with Sullenger and Thomas.   

If you simply stack talent,  I disagree. 

[nyg]

Lack of talent was not the reason SU lost to OSU today.  Nor was the loss of Fab Melo.  I can tell you that much.

Neither, it became a free throw shooting contest.  OSU was 31 for 42.  Cuse was 20 for 25.  Ridiculous. 

[karavotsos]

Refs were not good.  However, I don't think you can argue OSU was the beneficiary when Sullinger ends up sitting 13+ min in the first half and is the leading scorer in the game.  If he doesn't have foul trouble he probably has 30. 

Also would argue that part of the reason it turned into a free throw shooting contest is because it turned into a halfcourt street fight, favoring OSU.

Contrast will be seen next week, most likely against Kansas, unless there is a Marshall miracle.  My only fear is that Craft will turn Taylor over five thousand times.  KU will defend harder, front the post, make Sullenger work to wear him down.  Offensively, OSU is not very impressive.   They're not world-beaters.  SU simply allowed them to play their game too much.

[GGGG]

Only because Boeheim fails to take any risks to attempt to take advantage of the talent on his team.  With Triche, Scoop and Waiters he never goes 3 guards.  Instead, he gets in a half-court street fight with Sullenger and Thomas.

Much less, get out of that stupid, stupid zone defense.