Update (Through Fri) So Far The BE is 5-4-1 ATS

[Tugg Speedman]

The Big East has played seven games.  Against the spread they are

Wins ATS
USF Round 1
MU Round 2
Cincy Round 2
Georgetown Round 2
USF Round 2

Losses ATS
Syracuse Round 2 (did not cover)
WVU Round 2 (outright loss)
Uconn Round 2 (outright loss)
ND Round 2 (outright loss)


Push ATS
Louisville Round 2

[Tugg Speedman]

Given the BE tourney history, this is not bad.

[downtown85]

I consider WVU Big 12 already.

[AlumKCof93]

After uconn and wvu lost yesterday, vital raised the question of whether the big wast was overrated.  That seems to be a trendy question every year and last tear it was valid as the big easy was considered the top conference and had bad losses in the first 2 days of the tourney.  It's not valid this year as the big east was considered the top and wvu and uconn finished somewhere near the 8 th and 9 th teams in the conference.  If not for the soft bubble, they wouldn't have made the tourney.

[RawdogDX]

I'm giving a good grade to our conference so far.
cuse: lost a big piece, still alive.
uconn: an 8 lost its first game, stop the presses.
wvu: so long suckas.

[brewcity77]

I'm giving a good grade to our conference so far.
cuse: lost a big piece, still alive.
uconn: an 8 lost its first game, stop the presses.
wvu: so long suckas.

Just for the record...UConn was a 9, not an 8, so anyone saying a league is overrated because the team that should have lost (by the seeding) lost isn't being very smart. But then again, it's Vitale, so...

[chapman]

All the higher seeds won.  The lower seed lost.  USF won a 12/12 game.  WVU is a Big 12 team.  Nothing wrong with the Big East performance so far. 

[rocky_warrior]

All the higher seeds won.  The lower seed lost.  USF won a 12/12 game.  WVU is a Big 12 team.  Nothing wrong with the Big East performance so far. 

Maybe not the right thread for this, I picked Temple in my brackets, but if I were them I'd be very nervous about playing USF.  Have a feeling they'll continue to represent well for the BE.

[Hoopaloop]

We're 5-2 right now, forget the seeding stuff.  5-2.  Considering the seeds, could be better but we're holding up.  B1G will go 5-1 probably in the first round.  Big 12 is 3-0 so far.

[rocky_warrior]

Big 12 is 3-0 so far.

Texas won?

[Hoopaloop]

Texas won?

They are in a league to themselves.   

I stand erected.  3-1

[rocky_warrior]

They believe they are in a league to themselves.   

With the edits, I agree with you.

[Skatastrophy]

Texas won?

Someone in one of my pools had Texas as the National Champ.  They aren't doing so well anymore

[Lennys Tap]

We're 5-2 right now, forget the seeding stuff.  5-2.  Considering the seeds, could be better but we're holding up.  B1G will go 5-1 probably in the first round.  Big 12 is 3-0 so far.

How can the Big 1? go 5-1 when 8 (or 9) teams made the tournament? Isn't the Big East done for the 1st round? I was told by an expert here that they would get fewer bids than the Big 1?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Boomer & Carton on WFAN discussed the Syracuse game this morning from the second half betting spread and felt there was something fishy.  Something about Syracuse a +11 favorite for the second half and needing to win by +7 or more.  Then cited the suspicous reasons as the blown goaltending call, the bogus lane violation, the out-of-bounds non-foul call and the worst one - a double bonus foul call with 2 seconds left and then attempting to give Syracuse a 3rd free throw on top of it that would have put them up by +8.  

[Hoopaloop]

How can the Big 1? go 5-1 when 8 (or 9) teams made the tournament? Isn't the Big East done for the 1st round? I was told by an expert here that they would get fewer bids than the Big 1?

I was wrong.  You were right.   I'm guessing by the end of the tournament the Big Ten will do better.  They are still the best conference.  Jay Bilas says so. 

[downtown85]

They are in a league to themselves.   

I stand erected.  3-1

3-2. WVU lost as well. 

[Tugg Speedman]

I updated it for GU's win ATS.  ND and USF round 2 to go late tonight.

Again ... so far ... this is better than the typical BE tourney run.

[Lennys Tap]

I was wrong.  You were right.   I'm guessing by the end of the tournament the Big Ten will do better.  They are still the best conference.  Jay Bilas says so. 

If the Big 1? gets 4 teams in the Final Four, can I use the old Chicos line about the tournament just being a crapshoot based on good or bad matchups?

[muarmy81]

They are in a league to themselves.   

I stand erected.  3-1

time to get erect again...down goes Mizzou.

[bamamarquettefan]

No kidding, if you just went by seeds of course the conferences with just a few of their best teams will have a better overall record than a conference like the Big East with lot's more good teams.  The perfect example is the ACC with three great teams, one decent team, and 8 that didn't make the tournament.  Go by seeds and the ACC goes 9-3, while the Big East goes 12-8, so if they do that exactly it doesn't prove the ACC is suddenly better.  here are the records for every team going into the Final Four if the higher seed won every game, so doing better or worse than this would show if a conference was overrated or underated:

ACC   9   3   75%
B10   13   5   72%
SEC   6   3   67%
B12   10   6   63%
BE   12   8   60%
OVC   1   1   50%
MVC   2   2   50%
MWC   3   4   43%
WCC   2   3   40%
CUSA   1   2   33%
BSky   0   1   0%
AE   0   1   0%
BSth   0   1   0%
A10   0   4   0%

[BrewCity83]

I think a valid agrument would be total number of wins by conference in the tourney.  That way you get credit for more teams making it only if they can earn some wins, and the better teams can boost the ranking by winning several games.

[Tugg Speedman]

Go by seeds and the ACC goes 9-3, while the Big East goes 12-8, so if they do that exactly it doesn't prove the ACC is better.

Not this year!

[boyonthedock]

No kidding, if you just went by seeds of course the conferences with just a few of their best teams will have a better overall record than a conference like the Big East with lot's more good teams.  The perfect example is the ACC with three great teams, one decent team, and 8 that didn't make the tournament.  Go by seeds and the ACC goes 9-3, while the Big East goes 12-8, so if they do that exactly it doesn't prove the ACC is suddenly better.  here are the records for every team going into the Final Four if the higher seed won every game, so doing better or worse than this would show if a conference was overrated or underated:

ACC   9   3   75%
B10   13   5   72%
SEC   6   3   67%
B12   10   6   63%
BE   12   8   60%
OVC   1   1   50%
MVC   2   2   50%
MWC   3   4   43%
WCC   2   3   40%
CUSA   1   2   33%
BSky   0   1   0%
AE   0   1   0%
BSth   0   1   0%
A10   0   4   0%

This is a great post. it seems so obvious, but is often overlooked in the raw w-l numbers.

[Tugg Speedman]

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