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Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 30, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
You will have to define regular basis and destroyed at home because neither fits my definitions.  In year five, MU lost two home games by double digits.  12 point loss to #10 Cincinnati and an 18 point loss to Memphis.  They lost to Southern Miss in Green Bay, but not a game at the Bradley Center.  Year 6, three such losses again with Travis Diener hurt for some of them.

Those MU teams were not picked to be very good due to who they lost after the Final Four team.  This year's MU team is supposed to be very good. 

Last night I would rate as one of the five worst losses in the last 10 years.  The NCAA game against Washington is up there.  Last year's debacle against Louisville.  The Western Michigan game in the NIT and the Louisville game at home when that idiot from Minnesota cost us the game with his lane violation actions.  If I go beyond 10 years, the Maine game would be one.  Notre Dame under O'Neill.  Tyrone Baldwin over and back against Wisconsin.  There are many.  Last night makes my top 5 for the last five years because we never showed up.  Never put up a fight and looked absolutely terrible from start to finish against a team that is not ranked, already has four losses and we were at home.

You can't look at just the final score in a media guide and say one loss was worse than another.  Yesterday we were blown out and never got closer than 17 points the entire game.  Vandy lost to Indiana State this year at home and to Cleveland State (a decent team).  LSU lost to Coastal Carolina.  Some of the losses that people here are equating to others in the past decade might be on target, but we were in most of those games until late.  We were never in this game with 37 minutes to play.  Six points in the first 10 minutes.  Just a clunker or are we trending poorly?  We are not a top 15 team right now.  People complaining about not being ranked ahead of Wisconsin should just stop right now, whether we beat them or not they are a better basketball team right now.
Not the 47 point drubbing on national tv against Louisville? Really?

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Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 30, 2011, 10:18:54 PM
Not the 47 point drubbing on national tv against Louisville? Really?

For some strange reason, Hoop has vivid memories of every bad MU loss under Buzz but is a little fuzzy about TC's stinkers. Go figure.

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The 47 point loss at Louisville wasn't a home loss, nor was last year's meltdown

Hoopaloop

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 30, 2011, 10:18:54 PM
Not the 47 point drubbing on national tv against Louisville? Really?

That was really bad, but without Diener and on the road everyone knew we would get blown out.  Probably not that bad.  To show how valuable Diener was, about 3 weeks later we played that same Louisville team at the BC and led by 11 with under ten minutes to play.  That was the embarrassing part to me, especially with the Amoroso stupidity at the end.  I'm sure we all have different criteria for bad losses.  Blowing big leads is one of them.  Never showing up is another.  You are right in that we never showed up at that Louisville game.  Nor did we at home against Vanderbilt.
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Hoopaloop

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2011, 10:52:58 PM
For some strange reason, Hoop has vivid memories of every bad MU loss under Buzz but is a little fuzzy about TC's stinkers. Go figure.

I gave my top 5 worst losses in the last 10 years and two of the five were TC's.  Much of it has to do with where we are, who is healthy, were we in the game, did we control the game and collapse.  You are free to use your own criteria, but I certainly haven't excused any of TC's losses as you imply.
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Hoopaloop

Quote from: tower912 on December 30, 2011, 07:48:23 PM
Let us know how Chico told you on facebook to respond. 

He has never told me how to respond.  He's in Colorado with his family I believe, but not once has he said go to Scoop and say this.  Probably 3 or 4 times tops I have reached out to him about a game or his perspective, but not the other way around.

I am my own my man with my own beliefs, my own set of morals, my own two eyeballs, my own opinions. 
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Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 31, 2011, 11:51:06 AM
I gave my top 5 worst losses in the last 10 years and two of the five were TC's.  Much of it has to do with where we are, who is healthy, were we in the game, did we control the game and collapse.  You are free to use your own criteria, but I certainly haven't excused any of TC's losses as you imply.

All 5 of MU's worst losses are TC's.

Everybody knows that.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: 2002MUalum on December 31, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
All 5 of MU's worst losses are TC's.

Everybody knows that.

Only because none of Buzz's losses can be truly evaluated until he's been here for at least five years.

Everybody knows that.

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 31, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
Only because none of Buzz's losses can be truly evaluated until he's been here for at least five years.

Everybody knows that.

You're right.

Before calling for Buzz to be fired or offering him a lifetime contract, I like to see him go through a couple of recruiting cycles and have an opportunity to coach his own players. I've been very impressed so far, but even if MU was struggling, I think you have to give a coach enough time to coach his own guys.

What is wrong with that?

bilsu

The team does not have the talent , especially without Otule, to compete with big physical athletic front lines. Those games we are usually going to lose. No need to go overboard on it. The problem is not with Buzz. The problem here is with posters on this board who think we are better than we are after we beat a bunch of non-major pogroms. Posters were even saying things like how many games would our bench win in the Big East. Now that is getting really over excited. The worst way to evaluate your team is watch players play in the pro am. The second is to watch them play in November. This team still will dominate most teams in the country. The trouble is we will not be playing many more of those teams we can expect to dominate. We will have maybe three games in the Big East that we will dominate. I would expect to lose at Syracuse, Uconn and Georgetown. The rest are going to depend on how well we play that day. Basically, break even in those 12 games and we finish 9-9.   

brewcity77

Quote from: bilsu on December 31, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
The team does not have the talent , especially without Otule, to compete with big physical athletic front lines. Those games we are usually going to lose. No need to go overboard on it. The problem is not with Buzz. The problem here is with posters on this board who think we are better than we are after we beat a bunch of non-major pogroms. Posters were even saying things like how many games would our bench win in the Big East. Now that is getting really over excited. The worst way to evaluate your team is watch players play in the pro am. The second is to watch them play in November. This team still will dominate most teams in the country. The trouble is we will not be playing many more of those teams we can expect to dominate. We will have maybe three games in the Big East that we will dominate. I would expect to lose at Syracuse, Uconn and Georgetown. The rest are going to depend on how well we play that day. Basically, break even in those 12 games and we finish 9-9.

We beat Ole Miss (as good as LSU), Wisconsin (probably the best team we've played), and Washington, who's not exactly non-major. We've beat more high-major programs than we've lost to.

The problem isn't that we don't have the talent, it's that we don't have any adequate backup for our starting center. Gardner is fine for what he is, but he simply isn't a replacement for CO, he's a change of pace.
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 30, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
People complaining about not being ranked ahead of Wisconsin should just stop right now, whether we beat them or not they are a better basketball team right now.
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Really? Iowa (who have 5 double digit losses including a 16 point home loss to Campbell College) 72-UW 65.