Wisconsin's "run"

[Canadian Dimes]

In reading some of the comments from different posters over the last few days there has been some comments on Wisconsin's run.  People were disappointed Mu allowed it to happen and I think all were happy with the fact that MU immediately silenced it with a 7-0 run of theit own. 

I guess my take was a little different.  I did not have a problem with it as it was really more bad luck than anything.  My recollection was Vander missed layups on 3 sepaprate drives, mayo missed a layup, mayo missed a three, DJO missed a good look jumper and Crowder missed a wide open layup.  All really good shots that would just not fall.  We were doing what we wanted and did not get out of rythm, put up bad shots, or turn the ball over.
Similar to the early 3-10 deficit to open the game, we were doing good stuff just nothing would fall.  we get a few shot to fall and no one is talking about Wiskys run and we win this game going away.

One technical comment.  Vander's ability to finish when driving from the left is severly limited   by the fact that he uses his right hand to finish.  Using ones right hand when driving to the left creates a significantly more severe shooting angle and also greatly increases the defenses the ability to contest the shot.  If he works on the left hand finishing he will be significantly more effective.  Unfortunately that is harder to learn as one gets older. 

[MerrittsMustache]

One technical comment.  Vander's ability to finish when driving from the left is severly limited   by the fact that he uses his right hand to finish.  Using ones right hand when driving to the left creates a significantly more severe shooting angle and also greatly increases the defenses the ability to contest the shot.  If he works on the left hand finishing he will be significantly more effective.  Unfortunately that is harder to learn as one gets older. 

Vander struggles to finish, in large part, because he doesn't jump under control. He doesn't drive hard and then jump UP, he jumps out (like a long jumper) when he elevates. That momentum often makes his shots too hard off the backboard and/or limits the amount of touch he can put on them. Watch where Blue lands after shooting a lay-up, then watch where DJO lands. Excellent examples of jumping out vs. jumping up.

Once he gets a little more under control, he's going to be an absolute beast.

[Skatastrophy]

Vander struggles to finish, in large part, because he doesn't jump under control. He doesn't drive hard and then jump UP, he jumps out (like a long jumper) when he elevates. That momentum often makes his shots too hard off the backboard and/or limits the amount of touch he can put on them. Watch where Blue lands after shooting a lay-up, then watch where DJO lands. Excellent examples of jumping out vs. jumping up.

Once he gets a little more under control, he's going to be an absolute beast.

Well said.  Exactly what I was seeing that I couldn't accurately describe.  By the time Blue gets to the rim he seems to be surprised how quickly he's moving, which isn't ideal for finishing

[Slim]

Is it just me, or do others think DJO has the same problem? DJO seems extremely comfortable dunking or laying it in with his right hand, but is less coordinated and less successful with his left - and he is left handed! The announcers make a big deal of his ability with his right "off" hand, but I tend to think that when he is within 2 feet, it is his "on" hand.

GTST
In Buzz we trust

[Canadian Dimes]

Vander struggles to finish, in large part, because he doesn't jump under control. He doesn't drive hard and then jump UP, he jumps out (like a long jumper) when he elevates. That momentum often makes his shots too hard off the backboard and/or limits the amount of touch he can put on them. Watch where Blue lands after shooting a lay-up, then watch where DJO lands. Excellent examples of jumping out vs. jumping up.

Once he gets a little more under control, he's going to be an absolute beast.

you are correct in what you say....however he makes a huge percentage of them when driving to his right and is aable to use an outstretched right hand to create a better finishing angle and avoid the defense.  When he jumps the same way going to his left he has to contort his body and reach back as opposed to forward and shoot into the defense as opposed to reach around.

Junior has the same issue.  unfortunately neither one of them was ever taught to finish with their left hand.  Products of poor youth coaching.  Lower the rim to 6 feet and do left hand left leg layups until it is second nature.  Like a language infinitaly harder to learn when u are an adult.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The Wisconsin run I was most impressed with was the 10 straight possessions MU had with a stop.  Got to love the defense.

[Silkk the Shaka]

The Wisconsin run I was most impressed with was the 10 straight possessions MU had with a stop.  Got to love the defense.

So what would Buzz call three consecutive turkeys?  Turducken?  I guess in this case it would be a turducken AND ONE

[Freeport Warrior]

One technical comment.  Vander's ability to finish when driving from the left is severly limited   by the fact that he uses his right hand to finish.  Using ones right hand when driving to the left creates a significantly more severe shooting angle and also greatly increases the defenses the ability to contest the shot.  If he works on the left hand finishing he will be significantly more effective.  Unfortunately that is harder to learn as one gets older. 

This is so true. At most well-coached youth programs, they start kids in 2nd/3rd grade using their left on the left side. At that point, maybe 10% can even get the ball up to the backboard, most fumble it to even get it in their left hand. It is a true cluster-frick of a drill at that age, balls everywhere, kids frustrated. But they make them keep doing it. Month after month, year after year, it just progresses. Yesterday my 6th grader had breakaway and the defender caught him at an angle, he dribbled down with his left and put it up with his left for an ANd one. He doesn't know any better, it's just the way you do it. At game speed, basketball is so much about instinct, and Vander "un-learning" this when he's had nothing but success doing it the other way his whole life would be a serious undertaking.

[pbiflyer]

So what would Buzz call three consecutive turkeys?  Turducken?  I guess in this case it would be a turducken AND ONE

[Canadian Dimes]

This is so true. At most well-coached youth programs, they start kids in 2nd/3rd grade using their left on the left side. At that point, maybe 10% can even get the ball up to the backboard, most fumble it to even get it in their left hand. It is a true cluster-frick of a drill at that age, balls everywhere, kids frustrated. But they make them keep doing it. Month after month, year after year, it just progresses. Yesterday my 6th grader had breakaway and the defender caught him at an angle, he dribbled down with his left and put it up with his left for an ANd one. He doesn't know any better, it's just the way you do it. At game speed, basketball is so much about instinct, and Vander "un-learning" this when he's had nothing but success doing it the other way his whole life would be a serious undertaking.

You are exactly right.

One thing that you might take advantage of.  i have a gorilla goal at my home and the gym I coach out of has adjustable rims.  Lower the rim to 6 feet for the young ones even 8 feet for the 4-6 th graders.  Most dont have the left handed strenth or dexterity to even hi the net or rim and quickly become discouraged and start to cheat to try to make a basket.  at the lower heighth the proper form can be taught and they have the positive reinforcement of making baskets.

not to boast but i have had coaches ask me if my middle son is left handed...no but we work on it it a ton... he crossed a kid over in his HS game on Friday night and effortlessly layed it in left handed...amazing how few players at all levels cannot do that.  Most kids in Indiana can, comes down to youth coaching.  There is nothing "special" in the water in Indiana.  Just really good youth coaching all the way up.  

[MerrittsMustache]

This is so true. At most well-coached youth programs, they start kids in 2nd/3rd grade using their left on the left side. At that point, maybe 10% can even get the ball up to the backboard, most fumble it to even get it in their left hand. It is a true cluster-frick of a drill at that age, balls everywhere, kids frustrated. But they make them keep doing it. Month after month, year after year, it just progresses. Yesterday my 6th grader had breakaway and the defender caught him at an angle, he dribbled down with his left and put it up with his left for an ANd one. He doesn't know any better, it's just the way you do it. At game speed, basketball is so much about instinct, and Vander "un-learning" this when he's had nothing but success doing it the other way his whole life would be a serious undertaking.

Very true. Youth basketball should emphasize left-handed layups. However, once you reach college or even HS level where guys are playing at or above the rim, going in with your right hand from the left side can be an advantage for the shooter. Going up with the left actually gives more room and more time for a long-armed defender to block the shot since it's away from the body and in the air longer. If the shooter takes it up strong with his right hand and smacks the glass up near the rim, it's nearly impossible to block because the time from hand to backboard is a split-second.

[Canadian Dimes]

Very true. Youth basketball should emphasize left-handed layups. However, once you reach college or even HS level where guys are playing at or above the rim, going in with your right hand from the left side can be an advantage for the shooter. Going up with the left actually gives more room and more time for a long-armed defender to block the shot since it's away from the body and in the air longer. If the shooter takes it up strong with his right hand and smacks the glass up near the rim, it's nearly impossible to block because the time from hand to backboard is a split-second.

you are correct that there are occasions when a what is referred to as a "power layup" is the best case scenario.  However, give me the player that can put the ball in left or right handed as dictated by what the defense allows every...single...time.

[HelixAir6]

Not that I'm not enjoying this lesson on how to teach kids how to use their left hand... but to get back on topic, I knew that "run" was coming at some point.  Whether it had to do with us making mistakes, or simply not getting the shots to fall wasn't my real concern.  It was the fact that once again, Buzz let the lead dwindle all the way from 13 points to 1 point without ever calling a timeout.  I realize that this took a rather long time, even through a media TO, and it wasn't a really quick run where it necessarily felt like the wheels were falling off from the beginning (Louisville)

Yet, I just feel like when it got to around 7 or 5 points, Buzz could have called a TO... calmed the guys down, reenforced to them that they were actually playing well (as Dimes noted), and to get back out there and win the game.  This would have slowed the Badger momentum a little bit and perhaps quieted the crowd a little more.  I don't know if I want this more for my sanity or the teams, because Buzz's waiting til the lead got down to 1 point obviously worked out, we came out and had a run of our own. 

I just would still like to see Buzz call those TO's a little sooner... not sure if that will ever happen though as he has been doing this for a few seasons now and trying to get the guys to battle through it... for whatever reason (probably me focusing on the bad) it rarely seems to work sooner than us giving up a 8-10+ point differential.