[PaintTouches]Grading Each Player’s Performance at the Paradise Jam

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Grading Each Player’s Performance at the Paradise Jam
      

Written by: Mike Nelson
            

The Marquette men’s basketball team may have been in the warm sunshine of the Virgin Islands this past weekend, but it took care of business on the court, making mincemeat of Winthrop (95-73), Mississippi (96-66) and battling Norfolk State to ... Continue reading →


         

http://painttouches.com/2011/11/22/grading-each-players-performance-at-the-paradise-jam/
      

[rocky_warrior]

Juan should just be Incomplete, giving him an F makes no sense, especially given your penchant for As and Bs.    Also, what's with the +/- crap? 

[reinko]

Juan should just be Incomplete, giving him an F makes no sense, especially given your penchant for As and Bs.    Also, what's with the +/- crap? 

They were just scared that Buzz would pull a Coach K.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/24/sports/coach-k-gives-stately-duke-an-undignified-jolt.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

[Boards]

Good lord everybody is at least a B-.... The last thing anyone wants to read to some homeristic bullshit.  And this is coming from a damn student at MU. Get your act together, all your stats are points and minutes and then you talk about athleticism. It's one thing to make a boring meal, it's another to push it to all Marquette fans like it's Thanksgiving dinner. 

[PaintTouches]

I don't think Mike frequents these boards so I will respond on his behalf. Giving Juan an incomplete would have been very fair, but if you had to give him a grade, would it be anything other than an F. He did nothing in the little time that he saw. Again, if incomplete wasn't an option, what would you say?

As for the high grades, this wasn't an analysis of player performance from last night. Obviously those would have been much different. Taking this tournament as a whole, all three games and not just one, the grades have to be pretty high.

As for the + and - "crap," welcome to the world of a student at Marquette where a 94 gets you an A and a 93 an AB (or A-). 

[🏀]

I don't think Mike frequents these boards so I will respond on his behalf. Giving Juan an incomplete would have been very fair, but if you had to give him a grade, would it be anything other than an F. He did nothing in the little time that he saw. Again, if incomplete wasn't an option, what would you say?

As for the high grades, this wasn't an analysis of player performance from last night. Obviously those would have been much different. Taking this tournament as a whole, all three games and not just one, the grades have to be pretty high.

As for the + and - "crap," welcome to the world of a student at Marquette where a 94 gets you an A and a 93 an AB (or A-). 

Incomplete is an option at Marquette, welcome to the world of a former student at Marquette.

Also, I never got a A- or C+ for that matter. Hence the "crap" rocky is referring to.

[brewcity77]

I certainly wouldn't fail someone if I didn't feel I could make a fair assessment. I think that if you didn't go incomplete, you could go C, simply because there wasn't enough good or bad to evaluate.

And giving all A's and B's gives the impression that there's nothing to work on, including last night. Last time I checked, if you have a great test (A), a good test (B) and a mediocre test (D), your average won't be an A-. But that's how it seemed to be for Vander, getting an A-.

I understand it can be tough trying to grade things like this, but this is way too fluffy, especially if JA is going to get an F for essentially not playing.

[GGGG]

I don't think Mike frequents these boards so I will respond on his behalf. Giving Juan an incomplete would have been very fair, but if you had to give him a grade, would it be anything other than an F. He did nothing in the little time that he saw. Again, if incomplete wasn't an option, what would you say?

As for the high grades, this wasn't an analysis of player performance from last night. Obviously those would have been much different. Taking this tournament as a whole, all three games and not just one, the grades have to be pretty high.

"B" is better than average.  Do you really think that every player was better than average save Juan?  Jamil was pretty freakin' average out there....this was said about him...

"He played just 10, 19, and 10 minutes (respectively) in the three Paradise Jam contests and appears to be behind Blue and Jamail Jones for playing time at the small forward. Wilson uses his length well on the defensive end of the floor but looks tentative and unsure of himself offensively."

And then they gave him a B-???  If only my MU professors were that easy.

(Oh and Jamil isn't third behind Jones as back up for SF spot....Jamil came in almost exclusively for Jae.  They were on the floor together a couple of times, but without either big on the floor.  At no point did Jamil play "SF.")

[PaintTouches]

One small disclaimer, this was written for today's Trib so it had to be turned in at 3 p.m. yesterday, obviously before the heart attack that was the Norfolk State game. They were adjusted, obviously, afterwards, but the tone is very "fluffy" because as of 3 p.m. yesterday, there was not much to nitpick.

I will say it again, completely agree that incomplete would have been more than fair for Juan, but his on court play was an F. Not saying he's a bad player or anything like that, just that he did nothing in two games.

Besides, if Mike would have given Juan a C, it would have been way too generous. Can we agree on a D?

[Chili]

One small disclaimer, this was written for today's Trib so it had to be turned in at 3 p.m. yesterday, obviously before the heart attack that was the Norfolk State game. They were adjusted, obviously, afterwards, but the tone is very "fluffy" because as of 3 p.m. yesterday, there was not much to nitpick.

I will say it again, completely agree that incomplete would have been more than fair for Juan, but his on court play was an F. Not saying he's a bad player or anything like that, just that he did nothing in two games.

Besides, if Mike would have given Juan a C, it would have been way too generous. Can we agree on a D?

He played TWO minutes! How can you evaluate players on TWO DAMN MINUTES!?!?!?! If players are hurt or if there not enough of a body of work to evaluate it is Incomplete, not a failure. Check out how journalists do their end of year grades, it will give you a good framework on how to actually fit in grades.

[Wade for President]

Geez everybody.  Take your finger off the trigger.  I understand and respect if you differ with the opinions (as do I in some grades), but they were given in a STUDENT NEWSPAPER/BLOG.  WTF?!?

They aren't national paid media members...they're simply students like we all once were.

Regardless of whether or not you agree with the grades, why don't you temper your displeasure a bit.  Hell...last time I checked, this is the first time I can remember, that we've actually had a group of students actively talk/represent MU hoops.

[PaintTouches]

Thanks Wade for Prez, but being an avid soccer fan, where player rankings began after all, I understand half the fun of reading that type of story is getting all sorts of angry at the writer. It comes with the nature of the piece. Everyone has their own opinion.

Now Chili, yes I have read other journalists work on how they do player rankings. Personally I like the 1-10 system because it gives you much more room for difference. DJO's A would be a 9 (or 8.5 for missing clutch free throws), Vander's B would be a 7 or 7.5 and Jamil Wilson's B- would be a 6.5 or so. Using grades gives too many people too many bad memories and clusters everyone together.

And Juan could get a 2 for his two minutes played.   

[Chili]

Thanks Wade for Prez, but being an avid soccer fan, where player rankings began after all, I understand half the fun of reading that type of story is getting all sorts of angry at the writer. It comes with the nature of the piece. Everyone has their own opinion.

Now Chili, yes I have read other journalists work on how they do player rankings. Personally I like the 1-10 system because it gives you much more room for difference. DJO's A would be a 9 (or 8.5 for missing clutch free throws), Vander's B would be a 7 or 7.5 and Jamil Wilson's B- would be a 6.5 or so. Using grades gives too many people too many bad memories and clusters everyone together.

And Juan could get a 2 for his two minutes played.   

I think Silverstein & Hardicourt do a good job for the JS. If a player is hurt or doesn't play much, they get incomplete - not failure. Because under your rules, any player who were to log 0 minutes automatically fails.