Greed might help us out ultimately

[kcasper13]

I think MU will ultimately end up in the ACC or SEC.  We have the 24th largest TV market and consistently draw attendances for our games in the top 12 of the country.

If we continue to "follow the money" it takes us to 16 team football conferences wondering how they can make even more money due to greed in the NCAA.   If in 3 year there are four 16 team football conferences, then in 5 years they will all adopt 2-4 additional basketball only schools.  Georgetown, Nova and St. John's are all no brainers for the big conferences and MU, Gonzaga, DePaul, Xavier will be easy pickings as well.

[4everwarriors]

Really dude? I was figurin' we were a lock for the Big Ten or PAC 12.

[brewcity77]

I think MU will ultimately end up in the ACC or SEC.  We have the 24th largest TV market and consistently draw attendances for our games in the top 12 of the country.

If we continue to "follow the money" it takes us to 16 team football conferences wondering how they can make even more money due to greed in the NCAA.   If in 3 year there are four 16 team football conferences, then in 5 years they will all adopt 2-4 additional basketball only schools.  Georgetown, Nova and St. John's are all no brainers for the big conferences and MU, Gonzaga, DePaul, Xavier will be easy pickings as well.

24th largest TV market? Where are you getting your information? According to Nielsen, we were the #35 market as of the 2008-09 year. According to another listing I found from a little over 2 months ago, we had climbed to #34. No way are we anywhere near 24. The hybrid will work in the Big East if it works anywhere. Don't expect to see it anywhere else. Nice idea, but I think you're dreaming.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2008/09/10/nielsen-local-television-market-universe-estimates/5037/

http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resources/local-tv-market-sizes-dma.html

[texaswarrior74]

I think MU will ultimately end up in the ACC or SEC.

You're dreaming. Without football it ain't happening. Both the ACC and SEC can have their pick of ANY program in the country. The SEC is a football first conference and the ACC is already on record as saying they won't take Notre dame without football so why in the world would they want MU?

Let's just hope we can remain in a conference that's even relevant when all the dust settles.

[texaswarrior74]

N/T

[Blue Horseshoe]

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[MU Fan in Connecticut]

This is the TV Market Size List according to Nielsen the TV rating service.  (And I'm not plugging a local CT company......)

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-2010-dma-ranks.pdf

[Litehouse]

I always wonder how they put those together.  They include Canton, OH with Cleveland, but Madison, WI is considered separate from Milwaukee, even though it's the same distance.  The Green Bay/Appleton market is also considered separate.  If you combined the Milwaukee, Green Bay and Madison markets, it would be #16.  Modesto is part of Sacramento, and they're over 75 miles apart.  Were does the Chicago market end and the Milwaukee market begin?  Baltimore and DC are separate, but San Jose is combined with SF and Oakland.

[brewcity77]

I always wonder how they put those together.  They include Canton, OH with Cleveland, but Madison, WI is considered separate from Milwaukee, even though it's the same distance.  The Green Bay/Appleton market is also considered separate.  If you combined the Milwaukee, Green Bay and Madison markets, it would be #16.  Modesto is part of Sacramento, and they're over 75 miles apart.  Were does the Chicago market end and the Milwaukee market begin?  Baltimore and DC are separate, but San Jose is combined with SF and Oakland.

It depends on who broadcasts there. Milwaukee's market includes who their local stations reach. Madison may be close enough with repeaters, but aren't included because they have their own local stations. My guess is that Canton doesn't have its own local broadcast.

Of course, Wauwatosa, Waukesha, Racine, West Bend, and other communities are included for Milwaukee, because they watch the same WTMJ 4, WISN 12, etc. If Madison or Green Bay had those as their primary sources, they'd be part of the MKE market. They don't, so they aren't.

[oldwarrior81]

isn't Kenosha included in the Chicago market?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

They consider Springfield, MA a separate market than Hartford,CT and they are 20 minutes downtown to downtown away from each other.

[kcasper13]

My thought is the Conference thing has gotten stupid and it will just get stupider as long as money rules the day.  What is easier to schedule 16 teams in a football conference where teams play 11 games a year or 20 teams in a basketball conference where a team plays 30 or so?  If the destination is crazy town, we might as well go all the way there.

I don't think it will happen in the next 5 year, but once the everything finally settles, they will go on another shopping spree.   

Correction 34th largest market....I was working off the top of my head.  Regardless, are a great program, in a good market, with a great fan base and now that the conferences operate more like corporations, they will look to acquire more assets over time.

[schubert33]

This is the most unrealistic post I have ever read!!!

[brewcity77]

My thought is the Conference thing has gotten stupid and it will just get stupider as long as money rules the day.  What is easier to schedule 16 teams in a football conference where teams play 11 games a year or 20 teams in a basketball conference where a team plays 30 or so?  If the destination is crazy town, we might as well go all the way there.

I don't think it will happen in the next 5 year, but once the everything finally settles, they will go on another shopping spree.

I have no idea what you mean by any of this 

[Dawson Rental]

I have no idea what you mean by any of this 

+1

[martyconlonontherun]

Yes, because market size matters when talking about a small, private Jesuit university in a city. If this was a public school, then I would agree city market size matters.

[Hoopaloop]

I think MU will ultimately end up in the ACC or SEC.  We have the 24th largest TV market and consistently draw attendances for our games in the top 12 of the country.

This is why optimism is often delusional, but some posters here would prefer this then objective (code word = pessimism) instead.

One can hope and pray that your vision is correct Casper, but it would be shocking.  The only thing more optimistic would be to state the AFC East was going to take MU.

[Lennys Tap]

This is why optimism is often delusional, but some posters here would prefer this then objective (code word = pessimism) instead.

One can hope and pray that your vision is correct Casper, but it would be shocking.  The only thing more optimistic would be to state the AFC East was going to take MU.

Optimism does not = delusional. Pessimism does not = objective. Delusional = delusional. That's why almost nobody agrees with Casper on this issue or you on many others.

[TVDirector]

isn't Kenosha included in the Chicago market?

it has been and sorta is... depending on who you reference.

the TMA/DMA (TV market) boundaries have fluctuated throughout the years-  Kenosha falls in the coverage area of Milwaukee TV stations AND Chicago.
Nielsen pegs it in MKE while Arbitron (radio) within Chicago.
GOV MSA has Kenosha in the metro-Chicago 'market'.

Milwaukee just moved up to 34th with around 910k TV households.
has been higher over the years, and lower as well.

[kcasper13]

By 2020 Georgetown and Villanova will be playing in a top four basketball conference.  Philly and DC are just too big of markets to be ignored.  Although, I don't like it and I don't think many fans do, there could 18 or 20 team basketball conferences.  TCU would have been 17 for the Big East.  MU might be a stretch, but I am an optimist.