NCAA/Villa 7 discuss need for more tiers of sanctions options

[HouWarrior]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/sports/ncaabasketball/coaches-say-ncaa-penalties-should-be-harsher.html?src=rechp

This is interesting. When faced with violations, NCAA has only the death penalty, which it is loathe to use, and a bunch of misdemeanor punishments (loss of schollys, limits on TV, bowl appearances, reduction of practices/recruiting contacts, etc), with the minor ones just not resulting in enough deterrence to certain programs, and some repeaters. So NCAA, and Villa 7 are talking about other, mid level punishment options.
How about NCAA licensing of coaches, which may reap more personal responsibilty...suspensions, personal probation, public censures, etc. What about requiring player responsibility--paying back his scholly if he cheats? Etc., etc. What about the AAU circuit, runners/trainers?

I'm interested to hear of any out of the box ideas for sanctions, especially those giving up front disincentives to cheating. Your ideas?

[muball]

1) Coaches that leave schools and violations show up. Old school penalised and new school coach cannot participate in NCAA for 2 years.
2) Illegal recruiting again NCAA sanctions when any money, payments, or grade tampering occurred

My point is when u take away NCAA bids it hits the financial pocket and recruiting.

Look at Indiana they basically got nothing out of what occurred, internal penalties mean nothing. So they gave up some recruits, well getting a new coach that late in the year he would not have landed any recruits so they give up schollies. Meaningless Should of had 4 yr NCAA sanctions.

BY giving NCAA sanctions it cost the school and its conference money and money speaks.

[Lennys Tap]

My point is when u take away NCAA bids it hits the financial pocket and recruiting.

Look at Indiana they basically got nothing out of what occurred, internal penalties mean nothing. So they gave up some recruits, well getting a new coach that late in the year he would not have landed any recruits so they give up schollies. Meaningless Should of had 4 yr NCAA sanctions.

It's true that Indiana went virtually unpunished, but they've still managed to have three horrible seasons befitting a team crushed by sanctions. Poetic justice.

[muball]

so if a team loses and was not punished the NCAA did there job? Not at all the NCAA should have punished to put IU on record for what they did and did not do.

[Lennys Tap]

so if a team loses and was not punished the NCAA did there job? Not at all the NCAA should have punished to put IU on record for what they did and did not do.

I agree. The fact that IU has sucked despite being let off almost scott free  is no more than poetic justice, though some on this board continue to perpetrate the myth that NCAA sanctions are a reason (excuse) for the Hoosiers on court futility.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I agree. The fact that IU has sucked despite being let off almost scott free  is no more than poetic justice, though some on this board continue to perpetrate the myth that NCAA sanctions are a reason (excuse) for the Hoosiers on court futility.

Yeah, those some on the board include

Jay Bilas
Bob Gibbons
Most recruiting experts in the country
Etc etc

But hey, Lenny still thinks Dwyane Wade is an idiot so take it for what it's worth it.

[DaCoach]

The buck stops at the head coach. I find it outrageous that the schools get penalized while the coaches suffer nothing. Most move on to another school and continue to walk the tightrope between legality and outright disregard of the rules.

Simply penalize the head coach by preventing them from any coaching job for 2-3 years and 90% of violations will stop. If the coach is involved a second time, it's a 5 year penalty. Three strikes and they're out for good.

[Lennys Tap]

But hey, Lenny still thinks Dwyane Wade is an idiot so take it for what it's worth it.

Keep repeating the lie. Some who aren't paying attention may actually fall for it.

[Marquette84]

1) Coaches that leave schools and violations show up. Old school penalised and new school coach cannot participate in NCAA for 2 years.
2) Illegal recruiting again NCAA sanctions when any money, payments, or grade tampering occurred

My point is when u take away NCAA bids it hits the financial pocket and recruiting.

Look at Indiana they basically got nothing out of what occurred, internal penalties mean nothing. So they gave up some recruits, well getting a new coach that late in the year he would not have landed any recruits so they give up schollies. Meaningless Should of had 4 yr NCAA sanctions.

BY giving NCAA sanctions it cost the school and its conference money and money speaks.

I know its popular to claim that Indiana got off scot free for their violations--but is there any clearer example of a team getting off with a slap on the wrist than UConn?

Among UConn's 8 major NCAA violations were 1565 improper phone and text messages from the UConn staff--including 16 from Calhoun himself.  Same stuff that brought down IU.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ap-uconn-ncaa

The penalties that UConn will incur include a 3 year scholarship reduction, probation for 3 years, recruiting restrictions, and certain boosters barred from contact wth recruits/players. 

But they get to keep their National Championship trophy and all the $$$ that comes with it. Calhoun gets to keep his job.  Oh, and Calhoun will sit out a whopping three games at the start of the 2011-12 season.  Boo freaking hoo.

What do you want to bet that UConn's season opens with Stony Brook, Maryland Eastern Shore, and Fairleigh Dickinson (or teams of similar ilk)?

[Pakuni]

Oh, and Calhoun will sit out a whopping three games at the start of the 2011-12 season.  Boo freaking hoo.

What do you want to bet that UConn's season opens with Stony Brook, Maryland Eastern Shore, and Fairleigh Dickinson (or teams of similar ilk)?

Calhoun's suspension is for the first three games of the Big East schedule.

[HouWarrior]

.  Oh, and Calhoun will sit out a whopping three games at the start of the 2011-12 season.  Boo freaking hoo.

What do you want to bet that UConn's season opens with Stony Brook, Maryland Eastern Shore, and Fairleigh Dickinson (or teams of similar ilk)?

I hoped for outside the box thoughts.

Why respect/validate, the rulesmaker, or complain about past actions? Lets change it up.

Responding to your complaint, how about a post conference play coaching suspension..ie you violated NCAA rules...so now you cant coach in X number of NCAA tourney games? Wouldnt that get attention?

Should all texting/calls/facebook be banned? Should each recruit be limited to get X no. of contacts, of any kind?

Should Nike/Reebok, as a condition of doing big business with NCAA schools, be required to file reports with NCAA on all their promotional expense payments, made at every level, and to whom? 

Should coaches file a copy of their IRS returns?

Should the definition of booster be expanded to pick up any family member/runner/trainer/PhillyCoach who acts for any player in their recruitment?

Should NCAA threaten ineligibilty to any AAU player, until AAU and NCAA get together on rules which dont skirt the NCAA, or frustrate its enforcement efforts?

Should all Coaching camps/clinics, involving any attendance by personnel from any NCAA participant require forms on attendance/compensation/charges to be filed with the NCAA?

Should players be required annually to complete a sworn report of all scholly. and non scholly pay, and benefits, incuding in kind trades for value, (sporting goods. tattoos, etc.)?

How about NCAA licensing of coaches, which may reap more personal responsibilty...suspensions, personal probation, public censures, etc. 

What about requiring player responsibility--paying back his scholly if he cheats?

Todays rule is dont narc, ...should a reward/protection system be offered for whistleblowing? 


Its future fixes, that Villa 7/NCAA are opening up to...they're admitting what is done in the past, is not proving effective.

[Marquette84]

Calhoun's suspension is for the first three games of the Big East schedule.

I stand corrected.  Thank you.

Still, UConn gets off far lighter than the ultimate price paid by IU. 

[Lennys Tap]

I stand corrected.  Thank you.

Still, UConn gets off far lighter than the ultimate price paid by IU. 

Which was what? Loss of one scholarship and some limitations on phone calls and visits?

[Skatastrophy]

Which was what? Loss of one scholarship and some limitations on phone calls and visits?

Na.  They were forced to hire Crean.