Arkansas job officially open

[GGGG]

Right now, MU is the better program and in a better situation...but Arkansas has a higher upside than MU.  It is close to Buzz's recruiting areas.  They also traditionally pull a lot of kids out of Memphis.  The facilities are better than MU's, and don't count out the stability that a football team in a BCS conference provides.  It may be the SEC, and therefore not as strong at basketball, but they are a wealthy conference and Arkansas is going to be there fore a long time.  Not sure we can say the same about MU and the BE.

[Pakuni]

Maybe--I though Maymon was ranked higher, but it might be Okey.

Still--his transfer was higher profile than Neil Plank as well--and for obvious reasons.

Okey was a McDonald's AA.

[cheebs09]

Not sure about rankings but Okey was a McDonald's All-American. I'd say that's higher profile no matter what the ranking is.

[Marquette84]

Judging the significance, or even the high-profile nature, of a transfer by where the kid was ranked coming out of high school is silly. Especially compared to games played, games started, points scored, etc.

Okay--lets take two players who have exactly the same profile at Marquette:  Tyshawn Taylor and Brett Roseboro.  At the time both players left--their stats were identical.  Same number of games played (zero).  Same number of games started (zero).  Same number of points scored (zero).  Every stat in every category--absolutely equal.

Wouldn't you admit that Tyshawn Taylor's profile was just a tad bit higher?  And wasn't it based on factors that you call silly (e.g. HS rank).

I now believe that you have absolutely no desire to understand why some people might think that Jeronne Maymon was a high-profile transfer.

You can go your way and believe that Maymon was no more notable than the departure of any other player over the years. 

I'm going to stick with my belief that based on the amount of attention that his recruitment, career, and departure have raised in media throughout the state, that he defines a high-profile transfer.

[Pakuni]

Okay--lets take two players who have exactly the same profile at Marquette:  Tyshawn Taylor and Brett Roseboro.  At the time both players left--their stats were identical.  Same number of games played (zero).  Same number of games started (zero).  Same number of points scored (zero).  Every stat in every category--absolutely equal.

Wouldn't you admit that Tyshawn Taylor's profile was just a tad bit higher?  And wasn't it based on factors that you call silly (e.g. HS rank).

I now believe that you have absolutely no desire to understand why some people might think that Jeronne Maymon was a high-profile transfer.

You can go your way and believe that Maymon was no more notable than the departure of any other player over the years. 

I'm going to stick with my belief that based on the amount of attention that his recruitment, career, and departure have raised in media throughout the state, that he defines a high-profile transfer.

Classic.
You initially claimed that what made Maymon a "higher-profile" transfer than the others I mentioned was because he was the highest ranked high school player to transfer not only at MU, but in all of Wisconsin (as if these somehow are the sole determining factors).
That, as we now know, is incorrect. Maymon was not the highest ranking transfer at either MU or UW. But rather than simply owning up to your mistake, you change the issue, introduce irrelevant arguments - Taylor vs Roseboro - and intentionally misstate what others have clearly stated. Pray tell, where have I ever said "Maymon was no more notable than the departure of any other player over the years."
Obviously I didn't. But it's a standard rhetorical trick of yours, isn't it?

It's pretty simple, SJS. I asked why anyone would consider Buzz's transfers, such as Maymon, any more high profile than those that occurred under prior coaches. I then named players and gave arguments their whose transfers were equally, or more, high profile as Maymon's. You, apparently, don't want to address that. Probably because you know you're wrong but, as we already know, can't admit it.
Best wishes.

[Dawson Rental]

I'd add Oklahoma to that list as well, along with the 5 schools that can steal every coach (Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, North Carolina)

No Indiana on that list?

[Dawson Rental]

Okey was a McDonald's AA.

With serious recruiting attention from North Carolina.  One of the very few Wisconsin recruiting battles they lost.

[Marquette84]

Classic.
You initially claimed that what made Maymon a "higher-profile" transfer than the others I mentioned was because he was the highest ranked high school player to transfer not only at MU, but in all of Wisconsin (as if these somehow are the sole determining factors). That, as we now know, is incorrect. Maymon was not the highest ranking transfer at either MU or UW.

This is classic nitpick. Could it be that in some rankings Maymon actually is rated higher?  Mason?   I'm sure you can find some rating service that has Mason higher, and I can find ones that have Maymon higher.

But because this is important to you, I'm happy to edit my initial post to to be more accurate. I will not claim Maymon is the highest ranked player ever to transfer--merely one of the highest ranked.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=25600.msg286254#msg286254

Happy now?

you change the issue, introduce irrelevant arguments - Taylor vs Roseboro

Its only irrelevant because it proves you wrong.

I specifically brought this comparison into the discussion prove the folly of your your comment that it was "silly" to use HS rank to define whether a player's departure was high-profile. The Taylor/Roseboro comparison controls for college play, and proves that your "silly" comment was off base--HS rankings do impact whether a player is high-profile.  

- and intentionally misstate what others have clearly stated. Pray tell, where have I ever said "Maymon was no more notable than the departure of any other player over the years."
Obviously I didn't. But it's a standard rhetorical trick of yours, isn't it?

Here's what you asked:
Curious as to what you consider a "high profile" transfer versus, I suppose, a "low profile" transfer.
Was Maymon any more "high profile" than ODB?
. . .

I guess I assumed your choices for comparison were random players from the past. If you substitute "Kevin Menard" for "ODB" it becomes a whole lot easier to understand the big differences between a high-profile and low-profile transfer.

In a follow-up post, you said:
But for the life of me I can't figure out how anyone would consider Maymon, Smith, Roseboro, etc. as any more "high profile" than ODB, Mason, Amo, etc.

Again, your choice of examples makes it VERY hard to address your initial question.  I think it might have been easier for you to understand if instead of ODB, Mason, and Amo, you used Menard, Berkowitz, and Hester.

It's pretty simple, SJS. I asked why anyone would consider Buzz's transfers, such as Maymon, any more high profile than those that occurred under prior coaches.

No.  Sorry.  You didn't ask that.

You asked, "Curious as to what you consider a "high profile" transfer versus, I suppose, a "low profile" transfer."

Your words.

I then named players and gave arguments their whose transfers were equally, or more, high profile as Maymon's.

How is posting a list of players that you already admit are "equally, or more, high profile" than Maymon going help you understand why someone would call Maymon "high profile"?  

You questioned what makes a transfer "high profile" versus "low profile"

I thought it might help you understand to bring in a "low-profile" player rather than another "high-profile" player.

You, apparently, don't want to address that. Probably because you know you're wrong but, as we already know, can't admit it.
Best wishes.

I'm happy to address it.  Its just that its not a particularly helpful or useful comparison.

If you want to understand the difference between high-profile and low-profile, it helps to have an example of each--not two high-profile examples.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Sam Okey?

Okey had alcohol and drug issues which Dick Bennett called him out on.  That was a big reason for the transfer.  He didn't want to put up with Bennett's demands.  The kid also had the weight of the world on him because of the typical Wisconsin Badger fan provincialism that so many put on these kids, especially back then.  He was called God by a number of fans and that was only the beginning of the ridiculous fawning.

I still crack up at this Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2224452550&topic=2135

[GGGG]

Okey had alcohol and drug issues which Dick Bennett called him out on.  That was a big reason for the transfer.  He didn't want to put up with Bennett's demands.  The kid also had the weight of the world on him because of the typical Wisconsin Badger fan provincialism that so many put on these kids, especially back then. 

Back then Wisconsin basketball was awful...no history of success whatsoever.  Okey was treated like Wisconsin's version of Larry Bird.  The program's savior from a small town (Cassville) where the expectations way exceeded the reality.  Anthony Pieper had a similar background, but was MUCH more well grounded - his dad was his basketball coach.  Plus he was never treated like a savior...he was a solid prospect that would fit in nicely on a strong team.

[El Duderino]

Maymon was one of the highest ranked players we've seen transfer, certainly the highest-rated in-state player to transfer.  I'm not sure, but I don't think Wisconsin has seen a player ranked as high as Maymon ever transfer.  Maymon came from a school in the backyard of our biggest in-state rival, and news of his recruitment and subsequent transfer thus generated significantly more news in both the Milwaukee and Madison markets than, say, Kevin Menard or Neil Plank leaving their respective teams.  

Does that help you figure out why at least one of those players had a higher profile?

We should be happy though that Maymon transferred, not bothered by it. He's overrated as a basketball talent and a chronic complainer. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Back then Wisconsin basketball was awful...no history of success whatsoever.  Okey was treated like Wisconsin's version of Larry Bird.  The program's savior from a small town (Cassville) where the expectations way exceeded the reality.  Anthony Pieper had a similar background, but was MUCH more well grounded - his dad was his basketball coach.  Plus he was never treated like a savior...he was a solid prospect that would fit in nicely on a strong team.

Agree entirely

[Goose]

I am not happy Maymon transferred. Who knows if Buzz could have coached him up. I am not big on cutting bait or rejoicing when a kid transfers until proven otherwise. Granted Maymon did nothing this year but down the road he might be a force.
We liked him enough to recruit him and I would like to have had him stay. Even if it kept VB on good terms within the program.

[Dawson Rental]

We should be happy though that Maymon transferred, not bothered by it. He's overrated as a basketball talent and a chronic complainer. 

His father's contribution to the program has certainly been missed, though.