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Pakuni

10 seed, opening against K-State.
I guess we can all breathe easy now.
That said, his bracket makes little sense.

Illinois a 9 seed?
Texas a 3?
Cincy a 7?


http://www.collegerpi.com/

Hards Alumni


BCHoopster

We will see after tomorrows game who should be a seven vs. a 10, I do not
like playing KState, they are long and athletic.

wadesworld

Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
10 seed, opening against K-State.
I guess we can all breathe easy now.
That said, his bracket makes little sense.

Illinois a 9 seed?
Texas a 3?
Cincy a 7?


http://www.collegerpi.com/

I don't understand what is wrong with these seedings.  Texas was ranked #8 and lost at home to an unranked K-State team and now has 6 losses.  They're either a 2 or 3 seed for now.

Illinois is in 4th place in the Big Ten.  Not that that's good, which is why a 9 seed isn't bad.  They have 11 losses, we have 11 losses and he has us 1 seed below them.

Cinci is 22-7 and tied for 7th in the Big East.  If we beat them and Seton Hall we probably switch places with them.

MarquetteDano

Quote from: BCHoopster on March 01, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
We will see after tomorrows game who should be a seven vs. a 10, I do not
like playing KState, they are long and athletic.

I also don't like playing teams that had high rankings to begin the year and then underperformed early.  Then tend to play well in the tourney.

TallTitan34

You will see weird seeds for the Big East teams just to space them out with so many getting in.

Husker4MU

Palm's biggest issue is having a Dayton team that's 7-7 and 7th place in the A-10 as the 2nd to last team in the tournament.  The bubble is terrible, but not that terrible.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
10 seed, opening against K-State.
I guess we can all breathe easy now.
That said, his bracket makes little sense.

Illinois a 9 seed?
Texas a 3?
Cincy a 7?


http://www.collegerpi.com/

Being off by one seed doesn't seem to me to be anything to get bent on.

Bracket Matrix of 71 sites has Illinois as the first 10 seed (meaning just missed the 9 seed).  Seems he's right there with conventional wisdom on that one.

Texas generally regarded as a 2 seed, he has them as a 3 seed.  Texas has been a bit iffy of late, could see them as a 2 or a 3.

Cincy...they are a 7 seed according to Bracket Matrix's 71 brackets.  Right there with conventional wisdom.

I guess I don't see why you think these seeds are so off when he is AT MOST off by one seeding spot in aggregate.

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm

Pakuni

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Quote from: wadesworld on March 01, 2011, 03:59:31 PM
I don't understand what is wrong with these seedings.  Texas was ranked #8 and lost at home to an unranked K-State team and now has 6 losses.  They're either a 2 or 3 seed for now.

Illinois is in 4th place in the Big Ten.  Not that that's good, which is why a 9 seed isn't bad.  They have 11 losses, we have 11 losses and he has us 1 seed below them.

Cinci is 22-7 and tied for 7th in the Big East.  If we beat them and Seton Hall we probably switch places with them.

I'm suggesting a 3 is way too high for Texas. They've lost three of four, all to unranked teams and two to teams that are almost certainly NIT-bound.

Illinois may have the same number of losses as MU, but unlike MU, several of them are bad losses. That list includes Indiana (RPI 178), UIC (RPI 288) and Northwestern (RPI 95). Their best road win is at Minnesota.

Cincy is a tougher call, and may be the result of trying to spread out BE teams, but given their SOS I'm surprised to see them seeded that far ahead of MU.

Windyplayer

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 01, 2011, 03:37:35 PM
proof he is an idiot...
More proof: he says were extremely iffy and don't have enough quality wins compared to other bubble teams. We have the best wins by far of any bubble team. Palm is obviously not a fan of the BEast getting 11, but it's happening so the sooner he accepts it the better. He's such a buzz kill.

PuertoRicanNightmare

Titan is right again. There are going to be a lot of Big East teams irked about their seedings. I could care less about seeding. Just get in and see what happens.

GGGG

I agree PRN.  Frankly, I would rather be a #10, with a potential second round game with a #2, than a #8 or 9 with a potential match up against a #1.  In fact, I would rather be a #11 because I don't see the difference between a potential first round opponent in the 6-8 range.  At that point it all becomes about match-ups.

However a second round versus a #3 would be fine with me.

El Duderino

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 04:48:52 PM
I agree PRN.  Frankly, I would rather be a #10, with a potential second round game with a #2, than a #8 or 9 with a potential match up against a #1.  In fact, I would rather be a #11 because I don't see the difference between a potential first round opponent in the 6-8 range.  At that point it all becomes about match-ups.

However a second round versus a #3 would be fine with me.

With as weak as the top 7-8 teams in college ball this year seem to be compared to previous years, i'm really not that concerned whether MU gets a 9-10-11 seed because if we could win our first round game, there isn't a team out there which i feel Marquette pretty much would have zero chance of beating.

That said, i agree with your general point about maybe preferring a 10 or 11 seed over a 8-9 seed. Since there seems to be very little that separates the next 30ish teams after the top 6-8 or so, being a 10-11 seed and facing a first round opponent that's a 6 or 7 seed likely won't be a much tougher opponent that if say we were a 9 seed and then faced an 8 seed in the first round. It would allow us though to not have to face a 1 seed if we won the first round game as you mentioned.

bamamarquettefan

As touched on, the Big East seeds could end up being adjusted 2 or 3 spots to avoid matchups and there could be a ripple effect.  Remember MU at one point was listed as a 6-seed by rpiforecast even though their at-large rank really made us a 9-seed.

If the BEAST does get 11 remember that the election committee has never dealt with anything like that, and who knows how they will sort them out.

Agree I don't like the K-State matchup though.
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ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: windyplayer on March 01, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
More proof: he says were extremely iffy and don't have enough quality wins compared to other bubble teams. We have the best wins by far of any bubble team. Palm is obviously not a fan of the BEast getting 11, but it's happening so the sooner he accepts it the better. He's such a buzz kill.

Not to pick a nit, but can you show me where he said "extremely iffy"?  He says we're in right now but still have work to do.  He's probably right.  If we were to lose the next two games and the first round of the BET, we would be in trouble.  In other words, we're not a lock yet.


Windyplayer

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 06:59:20 PM
Not to pick a nit, but can you show me where he said "extremely iffy"?  He says we're in right now but still have work to do.  He's probably right.  If we were to lose the next two games and the first round of the BET, we would be in trouble.  In other words, we're not a lock yet.


"Pretty iffy."

http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/collegebasketball/1Yeq4hlVUyc3s9AaJ0s9v98h8JDLi6Mk/bracketology-3-1

RawdogDX

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 04:48:52 PM
Frankly, I would rather be a #10, with a potential second round game with a #2, than a #8 or 9 with a potential match up against a #1.  In fact, I would rather be a #11 because I don't see the difference between a potential first round opponent in the 6-8 range.  At that point it all becomes about match-ups.

However a second round versus a #3 would be fine with me.

I agree, but I took that the other way.
The problem with having 11 beast teams isn't what our seed is.  It's that it might change what part of the country we play in and who our 2nd round match up is.  With our luck we'll end up on the west coast, playing a west coast team.

CTWarrior

Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 01, 2011, 03:59:54 PM
I also don't like playing teams that had high rankings to begin the year and then underperformed early.  Then tend to play well in the tourney.
+1 - When filling out my brackets I always look for highly rated preseason teams that underperformed during the season.  They often turn it around and have "surprising" runs in the tournament.  See Washington last year.
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willie warrior

Quote from: wadesworld on March 01, 2011, 03:59:31 PM
I don't understand what is wrong with these seedings.  Texas was ranked #8 and lost at home to an unranked K-State team and now has 6 losses.  They're either a 2 or 3 seed for now.

Illinois is in 4th place in the Big Ten.  Not that that's good, which is why a 9 seed isn't bad.  They have 11 losses, we have 11 losses and he has us 1 seed below them.

Cinci is 22-7 and tied for 7th in the Big East.  If we beat them and Seton Hall we probably switch places with them.
Not saying Illinois should not be in, but our 11 losses against their 11 losses were tougher than theirs. I believe that our 11 have all been against teams that will get in the Dance and are top 25. Some if Illinois losses: Illinois Chicago, @Indiana, @Northwestern, and @ MSU. And we are in a tougher conference.
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Windyplayer

Quote from: willie warrior on March 02, 2011, 08:58:38 AM
Not saying Illinois should not be in, but our 11 losses against their 11 losses were tougher than theirs. I believe that our 11 have all been against teams that will get in the Dance and are top 25. Some if Illinois losses: Illinois Chicago, @Indiana, @Northwestern, and @ MSU. And we are in a tougher conference.
I love that @MSU is considered to be a bad loss by some this year. A microcosm of why college basketball is awesome.

willie warrior

Never said it was a bad loss--just that they were not a top 25 team.

Hell any year a loss to MSU would not be a bad loss.
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