Possible Philosophy to explain Buzz's handling of transfers?

[NersEllenson]

I was re-reading some of the quotes in the "Buzzisms" thread - and there was one that struck me as likely being very illuminating into why Buzz would have only spent 3 minutes with Reggie and his family, Maymon, possibly even Newbill, etc.

I recall hearing this quote at one point, but cannot remember the context in which it was spoken - but can recall with about 98% certainty it had nothing to do with player statuses/transferring, etc.  My thought is that this is one of Buzz's principles/tenents in life..and it gets applied to his players?

"Anything you compromise on, in order to keep, you will eventually lose."

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I was re-reading some of the quotes in the "Buzzisms" thread - and there was one that struck me as likely being very illuminating into why Buzz would have only spent 3 minutes with Reggie and his family, Maymon, possibly even Newbill, etc.

I recall hearing this quote at one point, but cannot remember the context in which it was spoken - but can recall with about 98% certainty it had nothing to do with player statuses/transferring, etc.  My thought is that this is one of Buzz's principles/tenents in life..and it gets applied to his players?

"Anything you compromise on, in order to keep, you will eventually lose."

Did you wake and bake this morning?

[4everwarriors]

At the point when parents request a release, it's irretrievable. With both Maymon and Smith, Buzz knew displeasure existed, and perhaps solutions and discussions were already in place which didn't pan out. You simply don't talk someone into staying if they want to leave, nor should you.

[StillAWarrior]

At the point when parents request a release, it's irretrievable. With both Maymon and Smith, Buzz knew displeasure existed, and perhaps solutions and discussions were already in place which didn't pan out. You simply don't talk someone into staying if they want to leave, nor should you.

I totally agree with this.  It's the reason I always laugh when fans (of this or any other program) say that a coach won't leave because he "doesn't have an out" in his contract.  If the coach wants out, you let him out.  Good riddance.  Aside from spite, there is absolutely no value in keeping someone around that doesn't want to be there.  If you want to spite a player by forcing him to stick around that's one thing, but if you want to spite a coach by making him stick around, you're going to destroy your program.

[Marquette84]

If the coach wants out, you let him out.  Good riddance. 

Did you feel this way about Al McGuire?

He wanted to go to the Bucks, and you said "No value to keeping him around.  Good Riddance."  Right?

And do you honestly think we made him stick around just to spite him?  

And did he destroy our program?

If you want to spite a player by forcing him to stick around that's one thing,

I don't think getting players to stick around is an act of "spite."  

What kid doesn't have a bout of homesickness while at college? Its a common feeling that most college kids go through--they struggle in class, or socially, or just miss their friends, and the first thought is to escape and run off somewhere else.

Did we make Brian Wardle or Travis Diener stay at MU when they wanted to transfer only because we wanted to spite them?  Hardly.  

Its easy to make blanket statements like "We only want players who want to be here" and cut kids loose at the sign of adversity. Sometimes, you need to give him time to realize that a transfer isn't the answer.  That may seem like "spite" at the moment, but usually appreciated in the long run.    

[NersEllenson]

Did you wake and bake this morning?

Nice!  But nope, gave those days up back in my Marquette days.    But, just thought the quote was somewhat interesting...given the quote Buzz made about the whole Smith thing lasting about 3 minutes.  That said, there was mention of Reggie talking to Benford about being unhappy..prior to the decision to transfer...so there probably was some discussion with Reggie, beyond the 3 minute meeting..

[StillAWarrior]

I was very young when Al was here, so I didn't think anything. But, i think the business of college basketball has changed a lot since then.  In today's NCAA, if it was public knowledge that our coach wanted out, I'd want him gone. I don't think you can effectively recruit when 1) everyone knows you don't want to be there, and 2) everyone knows you will leave ASAP. You may disagree, but I think the coach needs to be 100% committed. I think it's a testament to Al what he achieved after that happened. I don't think there are to many in the profession today that would (or could) do what Al did.

And to clarify, I thing it's good to try to change someone's mind, but if they've already decided, I think there's no point in forcing them to stay.

[Lennys Tap]

Did you feel this way about Al McGuire?

He wanted to go to the Bucks, and you said "No value to keeping him around.  Good Riddance."  Right?

And do you honestly think we made him stick around just to spite him?  

And did he destroy our program?

I don't think getting players to stick around is an act of "spite."  

What kid doesn't have a bout of homesickness while at college? Its a common feeling that most college kids go through--they struggle in class, or socially, or just miss their friends, and the first thought is to escape and run off somewhere else.

Did we make Brian Wardle or Travis Diener stay at MU when they wanted to transfer only because we wanted to spite them?  Hardly.  

Its easy to make blanket statements like "We only want players who want to be here" and cut kids loose at the sign of adversity. Sometimes, you need to give him time to realize that a transfer isn't the answer.  That may seem like "spite" at the moment, but usually appreciated in the long run.    

Well said.