Nice article on Buzz

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thought you guys might enjoy.  Tough minded coach and you better be willing to play tough for him.

http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/College_Basketball_21/A_Buzz_in_the_air.shtml

[Markusquette]

Nice article.  It makes me love our JUCO's even more.  I love what Buzz has gotten so far from junior college.  5 guys who have contributed a lot, 4 of which are usually starters now.  Really cool to see them succeed.  I'm hoping he keeps focusing on JUCO players as key parts to our team.

[jesmu84]

Thought you guys might enjoy.  Tough minded coach and you better be willing to play tough for him.

http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/College_Basketball_21/A_Buzz_in_the_air.shtml

Never heard of the BASN.. but it did a nice job of talking about Buzz and the toughness required to be at Marquette right now.  I've followed your opinions and agreed with some regarding the transfers, so how did you feel they were dealt with in the article? Also, I found it interesting there was no mention of Newbill...  Is this article a positive for the school in terms of recruiting/reputation?

[brewcity77]

I feel a bit bad saying this, but that article makes me somewhat glad Smith and the other recent transfers are gone. Did he expect to be a 20-mpg player as a freshman? If you aren't willing to work hard and earn your time, I'd rather give Buzz the chance to go find someone who will.

Good find, Chicos, thanks for sharing.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Last summer, the team announced that Maurice Acker was leaving the team to concentrate on his academics.  They needed that spot for Brett Roseboro, a country boy from Quakertown, Pa. 

Somehow, the 6-foot-11 freshman said the summer workouts were too rough for him.  He left school before the fall semester.

One of the assistant coaches called Acker and asked if he was interested in coming back for his senior season, which Acker accepted. 

Another roster spot was created again.  Acker had a good season and got his use out of the program.  The Golden Eagles also signed a player who was a raw talent at 7-feet-2 and the tallest in team history. 

Not quite true.  Mo was out June 25 and back Sept. 2. His spot was never filled. Mboa had replaced Liam in late April/May as the late signee due to Liam's medical condition. BR signed Nov. 12 and was out Aug. 22. MU carried BR's open spot all 2009-10 season (and then Maymon's for half). You could say BR's departure necessitated the move to get Mo back, I guess. 

[GGGG]

That type of article makes me wonder if MU will ever be a player for top level recruits. 

"The other factor behind the basketball operation at Marquette is how the players respond to hostile situations in practice, such as teammates yelling at each other or the coaches getting on them when a mistake is made."

My guess is that many JUCOs go through this kind of environment, but many 4 and 5 stars have not.  (Not to mention that JUCOs are essentially out of options.) 

BTW, I'm not implying that Buzz is coaching wrong or something.  He is who he is.

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Poorly written article that is relying on rumors as facts.

[hairy worthen]

That type of article makes me wonder if MU will ever be a player for top level recruits. 

"The other factor behind the basketball operation at Marquette is how the players respond to hostile situations in practice, such as teammates yelling at each other or the coaches getting on them when a mistake is made."

My guess is that many JUCOs go through this kind of environment, but many 4 and 5 stars have not.  (Not to mention that JUCOs are essentially out of options.) 

BTW, I'm not implying that Buzz is coaching wrong or something.  He is who he is.

Why did 4-5 star players play for Knight, Huggins, Calhoun, or any other hard ass coach.  He will get the type of players that buy into that type of system. That style wouldn't be for me, but it appeals to the specific types of players that he is looking for.

[GGGG]

Why did 4-5 star players play for Knight, Huggins, Calhoun, or any other hard ass coach.  

Deeper history of winning and/or placing kids in the NBA.  I think it's just going to take time for Buzz to prove himself to these kids.

[icheights]

The author of this article has written about marquette and buzz williams a few times, the last most significant article I remember reading was about newbill and buzz break up...good writer and I think he really gets to the point...good read, thanks for the find!  

JUCO players are more hungry generally and I agree that I like that in a player...but...there is usually a reason players go to JUCO and they are not always good reasons...be weary...

oh and ps...this is jae crowders team now, he is a flippin beast and as soon as he eliminates the 2-4 bad shots he takes a game he will be a star at the D-I level no doubt about it (awesome find for buzz)

[texaswarrior74]

That type of article makes me wonder if MU will ever be a player for top level recruits. 

"The other factor behind the basketball operation at Marquette is how the players respond to hostile situations in practice, such as teammates yelling at each other or the coaches getting on them when a mistake is made."

My guess is that many JUCOs go through this kind of environment, but many 4 and 5 stars have not.  (Not to mention that JUCOs are essentially out of options.) 

BTW, I'm not implying that Buzz is coaching wrong or something.  He is who he is.

If you've ever watched a Duke game, you have to have seen K screaming and dropping F bomb after F bomb at his players.....if he does that on national TV what do you think his practices are like?

[GGGG]

JUCO players are more hungry generally and I agree that I like that in a player...but...there is usually a reason players go to JUCO and they are not always good reasons...be weary...

There are generally three reasons why kids go JUCO...they don't qualify academically...they want to improve their college choices...they get in trouble.  Everyone that Buzz has recruited to date fall within the first two.  IMO, the academic issues are generally resolved because non-qualifiers have to earn their associates degree to qualify.  (Crowder and Buycks fall into that category.)

I am more "weary" of JUCOs because you only get them for a limited time.  I mean, Buycks is gone after this year and Crowder after next.  That's too bad because you put so much effort into a player and only get two years out of him.

[hairy worthen]

Deeper history of winning and/or placing kids in the NBA.  I think it's just going to take time for Buzz to prove himself to these kids.

Fair enough. But those coaches didn't get like that over night. You could also say that about a "players" coach. They all have to prove themselves.

[w0bbie]

Poorly written article that is relying on rumors as facts.

I assume then that your first stop for sports reporting is http: //traditionalathlete.net

[StillAWarrior]

I am more "weary" of JUCOs because you only get them for a limited time.  I mean, Buycks is gone after this year and Crowder after next.  That's too bad because you put so much effort into a player and only get two years out of him.

I'd rather have two good years out of a player that is pretty much game-ready (as Buzz's JUCOs have, for the most part, been) than most of what we've had with high school recruits.  All things being equal, would I rather have a game-ready freshman than a game-ready junior?  Of course.  But game-ready freshman are few and far between; and freshman have a nasty habit of not sticking around until they become game-ready.  In hindsight, one could argue that it would have been better if Buzz had signed another JUCO AA than Reggie Smith (although I'm not sure I'd agree).

Aside from Vander, the production on this team is coming from the JUCO players (four of the top five in minutes, points and rebounds; three of the top five in assists).  I like the HS recruits Buzz has been signing, but he's had very, very little production in 2.5 seasons from his HS recruits.  This should start to change next year.

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I assume then that your first stop for sports reporting is http: //traditionalathlete.net

Naturally.

[StillAWarrior]

I assume then that your first stop for sports reporting is http: //traditionalathlete.net

I missed this the first time through the thread.  It's not often that I laugh at something that has been beaten to death as much as this has...but this was an exception.  Very funny.

[brewcity77]

Why did 4-5 star players play for Knight, Huggins, Calhoun, or any other hard ass coach.  He will get the type of players that buy into that type of system. That style wouldn't be for me, but it appeals to the specific types of players that he is looking for.

I think that if we reach a Final Four with Buzz, those players will start to come. Even without getting there, we already have Vander, and the more success he has, the more attractive we become to guys like Tokoto, Nolan, Stokes, and other top recruits. With Buzz's recruiting ability, a Final Four will bring in the high-level guys that are willing to work, and hopefully will lead the program to prosper.

[hairy worthen]

I think that if we reach a Final Four with Buzz, those players will start to come. Even without getting there, we already have Vander, and the more success he has, the more attractive we become to guys like Tokoto, Nolan, Stokes, and other top recruits. With Buzz's recruiting ability, a Final Four will bring in the high-level guys that are willing to work, and hopefully will lead the program to prosper.

Exactly, That is the point my weak mind was trying to make. Getting high level recruits is not a function of coaching style, as Sultan had suggessted, but more a function of sustained success.

[bilsu]

I think the problem with freshmen is that they think they just need the chance to be good, so they blame Buzz for not giving them the chance. They do not realize that the team and winning comes before them.

[MauraDay]

good article...thanks for sharing!