Jamil Wilson Transfer Question?

[GoMarquette32]

so once a player transfers, how many years do they have left at the next school?  How many years of eligibility does Jamil wilson have left at MU? If Devoe Joseph transfered to Marquette how many years would he have left? Hes a junior this year.

[GGGG]

They use up a year of eligibility during the transfer.  Jamil is going to redshirt this year leaving him with three additional seasons.  Devoe Joseph would be a mid-year transfer, meaning he couldn't play until halfway through his final year.  (The redshirt option isn't really applicable to midyear transfers.)

[MuMark]

Jamil had to sit out a year but he lost no eligibility. He played 1 year at Oregon and will have 3 years left at MU.

[GGGG]

It's just semantics...he used his redshirt during his transfer year.  So he still has three years, but cannot redshirt any longer, which is irrelevant because he is likely a three year starter.

[MU1980]

It's just semantics...he used his redshirt during his transfer year.  So he still has three years, but cannot redshirt any longer, which is irrelevant because he is likely a three year starter.

Actually it is not semantics.  Jamil is not using a year of eligibilty this year.  By saying he is using up a year of his eligibility this year, it could seem like he would have only two years after this year since he used up a year of eligibility during this year.  You have five years to use four years of eligibility.  This is a red-shirt year for Jamil and none of those four years of eligibility are being used.   

[bilsu]

The general rule is that you have five years to complete your eligiblity. You can only play for four. Transfer after first semester: Maymon example. He played 1/2 year at MU sits a year (last half of last season and first half of this season. He then can play 3 1/2 seasons at Tennessee. If he would of played one game into second semester and then transferred he would have had to sit out the rest of last season and all of this season and would have lost a season of eligibility.

[chapman]

The general rule is that you have five years to complete your eligiblity. You can only play for four. Transfer after first semester: Maymon example. He played 1/2 year at MU sits a year (last half of last season and first half of this season. He then can play 3 1/2 seasons at Tennessee. If he would of played one game into second semester and then transferred he would have had to sit out the rest of last season and all of this season and would have lost a season of eligibility.

Now he actually only has 2 1/2 seasons.  The semester at MU was his freshman year, this semester at UT is his sophomore year, and he's a junior next fall.  Mid-season transfers get to play sooner, but they lose out on total games in their career.

[MU1980]

Now he actually only has 2 1/2 seasons.  The semester at MU was his freshman year, this semester at UT is his sophomore year, and he's a junior next fall.  Mid-season transfers get to play sooner, but they lose out on total games in their career.

He will have three and a half seasons at Tennessee if he decides to stay for 4 1/2 years (or hasn't gone pro yet).  You do not lose any games by transferring at the semester.  He red-shrited the second semester of his freshmen year, the first semester of his sophomore year and now he will be able to play for 3 1/2 seasons at Tennessee, for a total of 4 seasons.  Same as if he played 1 year at Marquette and then transferred and then played 3 years at Tennessee. 

[Brewtown Andy]

He will have three and a half seasons at Tennessee if he decides to stay for 4 1/2 years (or hasn't gone pro yet).  You do not lose any games by transferring at the semester.  He red-shrited the second semester of his freshmen year, the first semester of his sophomore year and now he will be able to play for 3 1/2 seasons at Tennessee, for a total of 4 seasons.  Same as if he played 1 year at Marquette and then transferred and then played 3 years at Tennessee. 

How do I put this?

No.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45572

He's currently a sophomore, in 11-12, he's a junior, in 12-13, he's a senior.

[StillAWarrior]

How do I put this?

No.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=45572

He's currently a sophomore, in 11-12, he's a junior, in 12-13, he's a senior.

I can't say that I know the rule for certain as it relates to mid-year transfers, but like some others I thought Maymon would have 3 1/2 years to play at Tenn.

I don't think ESPN listing him as a sophomore is hardly definitive.  Based on this would you say that Jamil Wilson only has two years to play after this year?

How do I put this?

No.

[GGGG]

No, you are not understanding.  That is the difference between a mid year and end of year transfer.

Maymon:

09-10: Freshman (Semester at MU, semester at UT - sits out semester)
10-11: Sophomore (UT - sits out first semester)
11-12: Junior
12-13: Senior


Wilson:

09-10 Freshman (Oregon)
10-11 Sophomore (MU - REDSHIRT)
11-12 Redshirt sophomore (MU)
12-13 Redshirt junior (MU)
13-14 Redshirt senior (MU)

Maymon cannot use a redshirt one semester during one season and in another semester during a different season.   The advantage to an end of year transfer is that you can redshirt the year you sit out.  Maymon cannot do this.

[GGGG]

He red-shrited the second semester of his freshmen year, the first semester of his sophomore year

No, you cannot do this.  You have to use a redshirt during an entire season.  You cannot spread it out over two seasons like this.

[GGGG]

I can't say that I know the rule for certain as it relates to mid-year transfers, but like some others I thought Maymon would have 3 1/2 years to play at Tenn.

I don't think ESPN listing him as a sophomore is hardly definitive.  Based on this would you say that Jamil Wilson only has two years to play after this year?

How do I put this?

No.

Douchebagery aside...you're wrong.  After this season, Wilson has three.  Maymon only has two.  Maymon blew his chance to redshirt by transferring during the year.  He *could* have redshirted this entire season and had three total years after this year, but that is not what he did.

[StillAWarrior]

Douchebagery aside...you're wrong.  After this season, Wilson has three.  Maymon only has two.  Maymon blew his chance to redshirt by transferring during the year.  He *could* have redshirted this entire season and had three total years after this year, but that is not what he did.

I admitted at the outset that I didn't know the rule as it relates to mid-season transfers.  I told what I thought, and I'm perfectly comfortable to learn that what I thought was wrong.  And the more I think about it, the more sense it makes.  If a player doesn't transfer and plays the first half of his freshman season and is injured and then doesn't play until the second half of his sophomore season, he would burn both seasons.  That's essentially what happens with the mid-season transfer.

But, I'll stand by my main point that a link to a player's ESPN profile is hardly a definitive answer to how many years a player has left.  When I saw that he put a link there, I was expecting it to be to some source that explained the red-shirt rules, not to Maymon's ESPN profile.  That (or a post like yours explaining the difference in how they treat mid-season transfers) would have been helpful.

[StillAWarrior]

Delete.  Sorry for double post.

[MU1980]

Sorry Sultan, I was wrong on that one and not thinking logically.  It makes it even more suprising that anyone would transfer at mid-semester.  In Jeronne's case, he does think he will make it to the NBA and won't need that 4th year, but Reggie is not going pro any time soon. 

[GGGG]

Sorry Sultan, I was wrong on that one and not thinking logically.  It makes it even more suprising that anyone would transfer at mid-semester.  In Jeronne's case, he does think he will make it to the NBA and won't need that 4th year, but Reggie is not going pro any time soon. 

Not a problem whatsoever.  But you are correct...mid-season transfers make no sense because it both limits your options (because schools might not have scholarships available or not want to use one on a 2 1/2 year player) and your playing time.

[pbiflyer]

Douchebagery aside...you're wrong.  After this season, Wilson has three.  Maymon only has two.  Maymon blew his chance to redshirt by transferring during the year.  He *could* have redshirted this entire season and had three total years after this year, but that is not what he did.

Doesn't matter much, as he will be a lottery pick in this year's NBA draft. 

[westcoastwarrior]

Sultan of Wayne Question...

If Maymon got a season ending injury early in his Jr. year....he could still medically redshirt correct?  He would still fall into the category...4 years of eligibility in 5 years of schooling correct?  It just seem stange that Maymon has given up his redshirt eligibility since he did a mid-season transfer when infact he simply sat out two semesters of basketball.  Am I understanding that correctly?

[GGGG]

westcost, he didn't really give up his ability to redshirt, and a medical reshirt is a different animal entirely.  (In fact, it really isn't even offically called that.)

What Maymon *could* have done, is redshirt for the entire 2010-11 year, and he still would have had three full years of eligibility.  But I doubt he wanted to go almost two years between playing competitive games, and UT may not have wanted to tie up a scholarship that long.

If he does have an injury though, he can get another year under certain criteria.

[jsglow]

Learned something in this discussion.  Kind of surprising to me that Reggie pulled the plug at the semester.  And the 4 schools that contacted MU over the weekend were mid-majors at best.  The names I remember were Tulane, S. Alabama, etc.  Hope things work out for the young man.

[Brewtown Andy]

But, I'll stand by my main point that a link to a player's ESPN profile is hardly a definitive answer to how many years a player has left.

What, you want me to put effort into a discussion on the internet?