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Henry Sugar

Quote from: PBRme on June 28, 2010, 02:01:33 PM
Tough to replace a post player drafted in the NBA first round!

which is part of why I don't think we're there yet on height...
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ChicosBailBonds

The reason I don't fall in love with the height numbers is that size alone does not get it done. I think Bilsu said it best.

You look at the top 15 teams in the country last year by height, they included UCLA, North Carolina, Illinois, UCONN, La Salle, UC Davis, Fresno State, Utah and Wyoming.  60% of the top 15 tallest teams didn't make the NCAAs.

http://kenpom.com/height.php?y=2010&s=SizeRank

Now, Duke and Kentucky were also in the top 15, so of course height matters, but it's not the end all be all.

If you don't have great guards (see UCLA, North Carolina, UCONN, etc), then you can be tall all you want and the pesky guards will make their lives miserable.


PS  I chose top 15, but if you go to top 20...it's still 60%.  If you go to the top 30, it goes down to 53.33% don't make it.  Top 40, back to 60% don't make it.

Size is wonderful, but you need more than size.  Guards game!

ErickJD08

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 28, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
The reason I don't fall in love with the height numbers is that size alone does not get it done. I think Bilsu said it best.

You look at the top 15 teams in the country last year by height, they included UCLA, North Carolina, Illinois, UCONN, La Salle, UC Davis, Fresno State, Utah and Wyoming.  60% of the top 15 tallest teams didn't make the NCAAs.

http://kenpom.com/height.php?y=2010&s=SizeRank

Now, Duke and Kentucky were also in the top 15, so of course height matters, but it's not the end all be all.

If you don't have great guards (see UCLA, North Carolina, UCONN, etc), then you can be tall all you want and the pesky guards will make their lives miserable.


PS  I chose top 15, but if you go to top 20...it's still 60%.  If you go to the top 30, it goes down to 53.33% don't make it.  Top 40, back to 60% don't make it.

Size is wonderful, but you need more than size.  Guards game!

I am in this boat.  Size is great and you only need as much of it so that it isn't a major disadvantage.
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Henry Sugar

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 28, 2010, 02:46:32 PM
The reason I don't fall in love with the height numbers is that size alone does not get it done. I think Bilsu said it best.

You look at the top 15 teams in the country last year by height, they included UCLA, North Carolina, Illinois, UCONN, La Salle, UC Davis, Fresno State, Utah and Wyoming.  60% of the top 15 tallest teams didn't make the NCAAs.

http://kenpom.com/height.php?y=2010&s=SizeRank

Now, Duke and Kentucky were also in the top 15, so of course height matters, but it's not the end all be all.

If you don't have great guards (see UCLA, North Carolina, UCONN, etc), then you can be tall all you want and the pesky guards will make their lives miserable.


PS  I chose top 15, but if you go to top 20...it's still 60%.  If you go to the top 30, it goes down to 53.33% don't make it.  Top 40, back to 60% don't make it.

Size is wonderful, but you need more than size.  Guards game!

I agree that height isn't everything, but it matters for Marquette.  I care less about how tall we are and more about how good we are defensively.  That brings up a few points. 

All of the Elite Eight teams were #34 or better defensively.  Most were top 25 defensively.  Want a deep NCAA run?  Be good defensively!

The best way to be good defensively is to shut down your opponents effective field goal percentage.  If you don't do that, you should be lucky, and also really good at forcing turnovers or defensive rebounding.

The best way to shut down your opponents effective field goal percentage is to be tall. 

Five of the Elite Eight teams from last year were top 25 in height.  The ones that weren't got lucky and were good at defensive rebounding (Butler / MSU) or forced turnovers (KSU).

The last time Marquette was elite defensively was Crean's final year (#10 overall).  They did it by shutting down eFG% on the perimeter and by forcing turnovers.  The only area Buzz's teams have shown any defensive strengths is by not fouling.  (No, I am not saying Crean was better or any of that pointless garbage).  My point is that Buzz seems to have built his defense based on positioning and shutting down eFG%, which also requires height.

In summary, I believe that Marquette needs to be good defensively to make a deep NCAA run, and they need to be tall in order to be good defensively.

the data
Last year's Elite 8  (Ranking for Height / Defensive Ranking)
Duke - #2 Height / #4 Defense
Butler - #238 Height / #5 Defense
Michigan St - #174 Height / #30 Defense
WVU - #15 Height / #22 Defense
Tenn - #19 Height / #11 Defense
K State - #169 / #17
Kentucky - #5 / #6
Baylor - #21 / #34

MU - #341 / #57
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ChicosBailBonds

I agree on the defensive front, I guess where it gets complicated is how tall you need to be to be good defensively?  As you point out, a good chunk of the Elite 8 teams were also tall and also very good defensive teams.

But as others, myself included, have pointed out, height doesn't always equal good defense or success on the court.

I totally agree we need more height, but I think the key is we need more height in certain areas.  I don't think it's an across the board thing.  Sure, I'd like our PF to be taller than 6'6", who wouldn't.  But I'll take a great PG that can make plays at 5'11" then a taller PG at 6'2" who is a good rebounding guard but not as good a play maker.




ErickJD08

How are we going to rank in height for this upcoming season?
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