UCONN to the Big Televen?

[GGGG]

Let's not forget that Notre Dame was formerly invited 2 decades ago and declined.  They are NOT a member of the AAU either.  Yes, it's true that the AAU has all 11 of the Big Ten schools plus the University of Chicago (an original Big Ten member) as belonging to the club, but that does not mean that they can't invite a non-AAU member to play.

http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476

Notre Dame was invited, and declined, in 1999.

[jt92]

I'm tired of hearing people on this board even mentioning the words Dayton and good in the same sentence!  It would be a disaster.  Are we rooting for the same program here?  C'mon... people!  Mid major here we come!!! Yeah!!!!   And there are people on this board who seem to not care.  Absurd!

[ChicosBailBonds]

MU could always go back to being an independant with ND :-P

oh, and hope and change dont work out west because your state tax system is a disaster, and unrealistic. ... but that topic is verboten.

Yet somehow it worked out just fine for decades....until CHANGE came about, and not the most recent one, but about 1994.....but that topic is verboten. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm tired of hearing people on this board even mentioning the words Dayton and good in the same sentence!  It would be a disaster.  Are we rooting for the same program here?  C'mon... people!  Mid major here we come!!! Yeah!!!!   And there are people on this board who seem to not care.  Absurd!

Yes, but part of putting any conference together is that it has to have a top and a bottom.  You can't have 10 teams that are the '27 Yankees.  Certainly you need teams that are all willing to make minimum commitments to success but some are more willing than others.  Dayton wouldn't be a bad addition depending on what the end objective is.  Not my first choice, but there are many others that come behind them.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Notre Dame was invited, and declined, in 1999.

Does 1999 count as two decades ago?  Is 2010 the new decade?

[🏀]

Does 1999 count as two decades ago?  Is 2010 the new decade?

Technically, 2011 is the new decade...

[GGGG]

Does 1999 count as two decades ago?  Is 2010 the new decade?

Well...OK...I was thinking 20 years.   

[ErickJD08]

I'm tired of hearing people on this board even mentioning the words Dayton and good in the same sentence!  It would be a disaster.  Are we rooting for the same program here?  C'mon... people!  Mid major here we come!!! Yeah!!!!   And there are people on this board who seem to not care.  Absurd!

It really wasn't that long ago that the general public considered Marquette a mid major.  A "mid major" got to the championship game.  I would gladly have Butler in the BEast.

[bilsu]

Dayton beat us two years ago and when we were in the same conference with them they beat us a lot.

[GGGG]

No one *wants* the BE to break apart and have MU scrambling.  That's Chico's point.  Just wishing and praying for good things isn't going to make it happen.  Dayton, Xavier and St. Louis may end up being our best options.

[wadefan#1]

This would be  tragic for the big east

[79Warrior]

I'm tired of hearing people on this board even mentioning the words Dayton and good in the same sentence!  It would be a disaster.  Are we rooting for the same program here?  C'mon... people!  Mid major here we come!!! Yeah!!!!   And there are people on this board who seem to not care.  Absurd!

Dayton has a solid fan base and a good tradition. MU is not going to have tons of choices as we are not a football program. we will scramble to assemble the best conference we can and Dayton is a very solid program.

[chapman]

Sorry to say, but I agree that a conference where the "premiere" rivals are Dayton and SLU is downright pathetic.  If we're in the same conference as some of these teams people like to mention I'll start watching the ACC.  And it's not like I'll have a choice anyway, since our games won't be on TV.  And since everyone will be getting in the tournament anyway we should just slice our basketball budget in half since it's a waste of money to spend that much and have the reward be seeing Rick Majerus two or three times a year. 

But before we get too crazy with some of these scenarios, remember that the Big Ten gets a large revenue boost for adding one team and getting the championship game (assuming the Pac 10 fails in its attempt to re-write the pointless and outdated rule).  From there, there will be very few teams certain to boost the revenue share for all the current members and probably zero that they would see as fit to bring in if team #12 is Notre Dame. 

Second, even if one of the craziest of these shuffle scenarios happens, it's not like all that's left are small private schools without football.  Assuming the Big East and Big 12 are going to be raided the most there are still a TON of respectable athletic programs left.  If somehow, without considering money or logic, 16 is determined to be the correct number, even if the major conferences only steal from only other major conferences (i.e. the Mountain West and WAC teams, Central Florida, ECU, and Memphis all are left out) it will still leave many teams on the outside.  If the "leftovers" include some current Big East and Big 12 teams with football and they have to pull from mid-majors to get to 12 football teams, they won't hesitate to bring in 4-6 basketball-only powers to give the conference some prestige, name recognition, and money.  It's more likely we find ourselves in a conference with a good helping of current BE schools, Memphis, and a couple of Big 12 leftovers than we are to start talking to SLU and Creighton.

[jt92]

Maybe Dayton can host the conference tournament every year too!!!  That will be great "mid-major marquette here we come!"  And fans are loving it.  Please stop trying to ration this.  This is an utter disaster unfloding before our eyes and people on this board actually seem as if the likes of Dayton (using them as an example) is a good thing. 

"well they beat us so they must be good!!!"  Brilliant!   

[HoopsMalone]

As long as we stick close with G-town, Nova, a rejuvinated DePaul, and a rejuvinated St. John's, that is 5 core schools for a good conference.

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

I also would have to think that at some point, these university presidents and their coaches would have to start considering a law of diminishing returns effect of making your conference too large.  

Look at how much some of the Big East hoops coaches have complained about the 16 team arrangement being a coach killer.  What would a 14 or 16 team football league look like in terms of that amongst the football coaches?  Think of all the coaches that will get canned (who ordinarily wouldn't) for 9-3, 8-4 seasons just because they can't get over the hill to a conference title/BCS game because the league is TOO stacked.

Outside of money, does Northwestern think it's a good idea to add 3-5 schools, if some of those schools include say Texas and ND?  They've become very competitive in the Big 10 in the last 15 years in football. How would Fran McCaffery feel about having to also recruit against Rick Barnes, Jim Calhoun, and Jim Boeheim in addition to Tom Izzo, Matt Painter, Bruce Weber, Tom Crean, Bo Ryan, and Tubby Smith? Iowa would never stand a chance at getting out of the Big 10 basement.

Look at how outspoken Jamie Dixon was about Pitt possibly joining the Big 10.  You would have to figure that some of the Big 10 coaches are complaining to their ADs/University Presidents that getting too big is going to make things more difficult for their teams.

[syscokid]

i am so pissed at this. i watch the big 10/11 for football, and kind of root for the BADgers when it comes to this. i will forever hate the whole league if they destroy the big east as we know it. if only 1 big east school leaves, fine. we can overcome that. no matter who it is. when your talking 5 teams? we (being MU) are done. the league will suck. if one football school leaves i don't think you go after central fla. you go after boston college. i'm still shocked they went to the acc, and they are probably regretting it. geographically it is a horrible decision. let the acc worry about who they get to fill that hole. i think BC would jump back into the big east if they had an opportunity.