I know this is elitist, arrogant and hypocritical to say but......

[HoopsMalone]

Keep dreaming.  MU would bring nothing to the BT that it doesn't already have.

A positive cash flow is a positive cash flow.  That is all I am saying.  MU, Gonzaga, Georgetown, Villanova are all positive cash flows for a conference.  Even if it is a little, why turn it down?  It's like a merger and acquisition. 

[chapman]

A positive cash flow is a positive cash flow.  That is all I am saying.  MU, Gonzaga, Georgetown, Villanova are all positive cash flows for a conference.  Even if it is a little, why turn it down?  It's like a merger and acquisition. 

How much do they increase the revenue share?  Shared revenue comes from television and post-season play.  Does MU vs. Big Ten Team increase revenue for the Big Ten Network?  And does MU making the postseason create more revenue or does it likely cannibalize a big another team would get?  Does any increase in revenue from the BTN plus posteason still provide a guaranteed revenue increase when basketball revenue is split one more way?  Just so much less adding a small private basketball school vs. a large state school with football games and bowl games to air.

Georgetown and the ACC I can agree with - don't see how the ACC would turn them down.  The ACC doesn't have its own network and negotiating a television deal while promising Georgetown vs. Duke, UNC, Maryland, and BC will have the opportunity to air not once, but twice each year to a national audience that would eat it up and adding a school that will get into the NCAA tournament more often than not makes it pretty appealing for a conference like the ACC, certainly enough to split basketball revenue one additional way. 

[GGGG]

A positive cash flow is a positive cash flow.  That is all I am saying.  MU, Gonzaga, Georgetown, Villanova are all positive cash flows for a conference.  Even if it is a little, why turn it down?  It's like a merger and acquisition. 

I don't think MU would be a positive cash flow.  They don't add any cable boxes for the BTN than it doesn't already own.  So MU's share of the revenue would be very small.  Furthermore, do you think the "regular members" would want to compete on a basketball level with a school that might take a post season bid away from them?  Plus it's another "voice in the room" that will have to be listened to.

Honestly, as a MU fan, I would rather see us in the A10 than jump in that shark tank with those schools.

[Clam Crowder]

It's Pete Gillen not Gilliam... and also PC Basketball has always been decent. They had a dominating era and will come back. I don't know why something so foolish would be sad

[HoopsMalone]

Marquette being a positive NPV for hoops is speculative either way, but here is how it is possible:

These numbers are all hypothetical.  Lets say the Big Ten makes $150 million in football and splits it 15 ways after adding ND, Nebraska, Mizzou, and Rutgers.  Marquette would not be a part of that.  (who knows, they would probably try to get an even 16)

Then lets say 15 football schools net $2 million each on average.  Let's say a school like Iowa nets $750,000 and schools like Mich State gets $3 as I am just trying to do and it just averages out.  So, with 15 teams, there is a net $30 million split between 15 teams.

Now, if MU keeps up its attendance and post season bids and is a proven $3 million net team which it could be like a Michigan State, $33 million/16 is better than $30 million/15.

Even if MU went to the A-10, you have to think that we get some at-large bids anyway.  Why not take the cash flow?

As far as canabalizing bids, I think Marquette actually would help the credibility of Big Ten hoops.  Adding Rutgers and Nebraska just adds cake teams for MSU, Purdue, Illinois, and Indiana (typically).  If everyone thinks the Big Ten is a joke for hoops, then it does not help them get multiple bids.  They might as well let the whole ACC in if UConn and Cuse go.  And just because hoops is less important than football now, hoops is still a money maker in general.  It could get to be more of a money maker in the future.

It's definately trivial compared to the football money for sure, but a positive cash flow is a positive cash flow.  Marquette puts a lot of alums in Milwaukee, Chicago, and the Twin Cities and while it might not add cable subscriptions, adding Marquette would add more eyes to the Big Ten Network. 

I have no basis for these hypothetical football mega-conferences caring about hoops. But, if MU can show added value to a conference, then there is always the possibility. 

[GGGG]

Hoops, it's about marginal revenue.  If Marquette doesn't bring in more revenue than its share, than it isn't worth it for the B10.  And while MU may provide more eyeballs, the real value of those eyeballs is probably not all that great in the giant pool that is the B10.  And when you consider the "cost" of having to listen to a basketball only member, it's just not worth it for the conference.

MU would bring a lot more revenue into a conference like a BE/A10 merger.  And we fit better there anyway.

[Dawson Rental]

Keep dreaming.  MU would bring nothing to the BT that it doesn't already have.

Oh yeah, I forgot, they already took Crean.

[HoopsMalone]

Hoops, it's about marginal revenue.  If Marquette doesn't bring in more revenue than its share, than it isn't worth it for the B10.  And while MU may provide more eyeballs, the real value of those eyeballs is probably not all that great in the giant pool that is the B10.  And when you consider the "cost" of having to listen to a basketball only member, it's just not worth it for the conference.

MU would bring a lot more revenue into a conference like a BE/A10 merger.  And we fit better there anyway.

I do get what you are saying, and all I am saying is that the best bball only schools (Nova, G-town, MU) might have enough revenue to increase everyone's marginal revenue.  And if those schools only vote on bball related issues (like maybe the location of the conference tourney) then you could justify adding them. 

But I could see a BE/A-10 merger as better than C-USA so in the big picture it might be all right if that happens.  Especially if St. John's and DePaul figure it out.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I do get what you are saying, and all I am saying is that the best bball only schools (Nova, G-town, MU) might have enough revenue to increase everyone's marginal revenue.  And if those schools only vote on bball related issues (like maybe the location of the conference tourney) then you could justify adding them. 

But I could see a BE/A-10 merger as better than C-USA so in the big picture it might be all right if that happens.  Especially if St. John's and DePaul figure it out.

Well, where I think the bball only schools help is in NCAA Tourney units.  Those are split within a conference but earned by the participating schools.

Unfortunately, the $$ of those units are pretty darn small compared to what a football school takes in on a Saturday or from their television contracts.

[HoopsMalone]

Well, where I think the bball only schools help is in NCAA Tourney units.  Those are split within a conference but earned by the participating schools.

Unfortunately, the $$ of those units are pretty darn small compared to what a football school takes in on a Saturday or from their television contracts.

No doubt that football money destroys bball money.  These conferences are going to be made off of football.  The Big 10 will be made based off of football for sure.

But if they go to four conferences and the ACC grabs Pitt, UConn, and Syracuse for football and bball and the SEC grabs Kansas and Louisville for both, the Big Ten is probably the worst conference for men's hoops.  There could be, however unlikely, a scenario where they would want to improve it's basketball image by adding bball only schools, especially if the ACC does it with Georgetown and Nova as well. 

Bball money is not much, but the NCAA tourney is a chance to make profits.  And you don't know if college football will give these insane profits forever or if the public might get more interested in men's hoops in the future. 

Sultan is probably right about a BE/A10 type of conference, but I don't think Marquette, Georgetown, or Nova would be completely useless in the four mega conferences. 

Profit is profit, even if Marquette only adds $100,000 per school.  Heck, that is a bunch of TA's each school could add so it could get on the table.

[KipsBayEagle]

It could be real bad, but it actually could end up being ok.  If football is the main catalyst, and Notre Dame wants to remain independent, that means u have a core conference of

ND
Georgetown
Marquette
Providence
Seton Hall
Depaul
Villanova
St. Johns

This conference would retain the big east name, and would retain the rights to have their tournament at MSG every year, which means something.  This also means, that the new big east would be able to literally pick and choose whichever basketball members they would want to add.  You add an Xavier, Butler, and a few others, and you have a very strong basketball conference.  I know this realignment really sucks down the line, but this conference would be a happy balance between dismal conference USA, and probably the more than generous big east membership.