mike deane

[TheBudaPest]

Of the three guys Deane brought in, one never amounted to anything(Polo).  The other two(Lovette and Bargen) became starters and double figure scorers by the end of their respective careers, but at this same point, they hadn't done anything due to the fact that O'Neill left behind far more talent than Crean did.

A lot of Deane's recruits did great in the classroom after MU. Diggs went to MIT.

[Pakuni]

Yeah, and then Raynor, DiUlio and Wild forbid coaches from signing them.  Check your history. We didn't have one from Ty Baldwin in 1989 until Crean went begging to Wild so that he could sign Marcus Jackson in 2003.  

Are you suggesting that Mike Deane's recruiting woes were the result of his inability to recruit JUCOs?

Honestly, I think it very unlikely Deane would recruit the JUCOs unless he had to. It's no coincidence Deane brought so many coach's son types into the program. He wanted kids whom he perceived would be no trouble for him or academically because, quite frankly, he never seemed the type who wanted to deal with that. It would take away valuable barfly time. Or maybe the one time he took a chance on a risky kid, i.e. Alton Mason, it bit him in the behind.
Regardless, it seems misleading at best to argue that this so-called JUCO policy somehow slowed the Mike Deane Recruiting Express.

He was a lousy, lousy, lousy recruiter and all the citations to Street and Smith's lists, etc., doesn't change that. For starters, he landed very few nationally ranked players over his five recruiting classes (one, albeit, incomplete). And the few he did land mostly  proved unworthy of such standing (I'm looking at you, Bart Miller).
Would it not be fair to suggest that part of recruiting is not only landing highly ranked talent, but recognizing which of that talent truly deserves the ranking?
Likewise, part of recruiting is closing the deal. It doesn't end with the verbal, so I can't understand why people continue to act as if he were a victim in the Billingsley saga. Mike didn't close the deal after getting a verbal. Maybe not entirely his fault, but he's far from blameless.
The bottom line is in five years, Deane only brought (and kept) two all-conference caliber players to Marquette. Seems to me, Buzz already has landed at least two.

[bma725]

No, I'm suggesting you can't compare the recruiting of the two because they weren't playing on anything close to a level playing field.  Buzz has the Al, the Big East, the private planes, the expanded budget, the ability to sign JUCOs etc.  Deane didn't.

Honestly, I think it very unlikely Deane would recruit the JUCOs unless he had to. It's no coincidence Deane brought so many coach's son types into the program. He wanted kids whom he perceived would be no trouble for him or academically because, quite frankly, he never seemed the type who wanted to deal with that. It would take away valuable barfly time. Or maybe the one time he took a chance on a risky kid, i.e. Alton Mason, it bit him in the behin

That's simply not true.  He tried time and time again to get guys that might be perceived as trouble makers, but could never get them to commit, or had problems when they did.  The "coaches kid" thing was the result of missing out on other guys, not his strategy.

Would it not be fair to suggest that part of recruiting is not only landing highly ranked talent, but recognizing which of that talent truly deserves the ranking?

It would.  And of the 5 nationally ranked players he got, there's only one you could say didn't deserve the ranking they had, Bart Miller.  Wardle deserved it.  Henry deserved it.  Look at what Mason and Minor did once they got a chance at other high majors, they deserved the ranking as well. 

Look I'm not saying he was a great recruiter.  But the notion that he was terrible is completely overblown.

[GGGG]

The university had been embarrassed by the academic issues that the program had under Dukiet, both by JUCOs and non-JUCOs.  So Raynor put his foot down after Tyrone Baldwin in an effort to repair the image of MU basketball's academic reputation.  DiUlio and Wild just continued the policy.

Was Tyrone Baldwin a problem?  Or just a perceived problem?

[The Pickle]

The university had been embarrassed by the academic issues that the program had under Dukiet, both by JUCOs and non-JUCOs.  So Raynor put his foot down after Tyrone Baldwin in an effort to repair the image of MU basketball's academic reputation.  DiUlio and Wild just continued the policy.

Got it.  Thanks for the explanation.

[brewnewsman]

Reading about Deane yesterday I ended up on his wikipedia page (yeah, I know take it for what its worth)  and found the last paragraph interesting:

Mike has produced two NBA products in his career (both at Marquette, Chris Crawford-ATL, Amal McCaskil). Mike also recruited Dwyane Wade at Marquette, but left the program the year Wade came to Marquette

Did Deane really start the Wade recruitment?  Or was that all TC? (not intended as a thread hijack)...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Deane

[brewnewsman]

Deane will also always have his bobblehead to look back on...

http://www.collegeinsider.com/coach/bob_marlin/

[Marquette08]

Mike Deane Relieved of his Head Coaching Duties at Wagner College


3/1/2010 4:55:17 PM
Staten Island, NY – Mike Deane has been relieved of his duties as head men’s basketball coach at Wagner College, Director of Athletics Walt Hameline announced today.

In seven seasons as head coach of the Seahawks, Deane compiled an overall record of 95-114. This past season, the Green & White finished with a 5-26 overall record, including a mark of 3-15 in the Northeast Conference. In 26 years as a head coach, Deane has amassed a record of 437-332.

“We thank Mike for his contributions as head basketball coach at Wagner,” said Hameline. “I admire him greatly as a human being and for the knowledge, competitiveness and passion he brought to the program. At the end of the day, I decided it was time make a change and go in a different direction.

[warriors1991]

Old news.
Was in the JournalSentinel 10 days ago.

And it's Mike DeanE

[reinko]

Mike Deane Relieved of his Head Coaching Duties at Wagner College


3/1/2010 4:55:17 PM
Staten Island, NY – Mike Deane has been relieved of his duties as head men’s basketball coach at Wagner College, Director of Athletics Walt Hameline announced today.

In seven seasons as head coach of the Seahawks, Deane compiled an overall record of 95-114. This past season, the Green & White finished with a 5-26 overall record, including a mark of 3-15 in the Northeast Conference. In 26 years as a head coach, Deane has amassed a record of 437-332.

“We thank Mike for his contributions as head basketball coach at Wagner,” said Hameline. “I admire him greatly as a human being and for the knowledge, competitiveness and passion he brought to the program. At the end of the day, I decided it was time make a change and go in a different direction.

Any hear the Saints won the Superbowl?  It was awesome.

[Marquette84]

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. 

In his first two seasons, Deane signed 6 players....Polo, Lovette, Bargen, Mason, Cliff and Miller. 

In his first two seasons, Buzz signed 15...Otule, Fulce, Butler, McMorrow, DJO, Buycks, Williams, Maymon, Roseboro, Mbao, Blue, Smith, Jones, Newbill, Crowder. 

Buzz has essentially remade the roster within under two years, with only three being Crean's players during year two.  Deane still had three O'Neill recruits on the roster in year four. 

So far Buzz's recruiting looks better, but he's also had many more opportunities to get it right than Deane did.

Technically, Otule and Fulce were under LOI and Williams had already verballed to MU the day Buzz was named head coach.  Not saying that Buzz wasn't involved in their recruitment, but its misleading to say he did that all in two years--he's really been recruiting for MU for three years--one as an assistant, two as head coach.

In fact, I think Buzz's prior status as an MU assistant makes any direct Buzz to Deane comparison misleading. 

At the time he was hired, Buzz was already recruiting players for MU for the 2008, 2009, 2010 recruiting classes and beyond.  Upon becoming head coach, he already he had the relationships started with the recruits, their parents, and their coaches. 

At the time Deane was hired, his relationships with players/coaches/parents that he had built at Siena were not as useful in his role MU.