Paterno pushing Big Ten to add Cuse, Pitt or Rutgers for football

[ChicosBailBonds]

Are you telling me Missouri and Illinois are not rivals? That will be news to both schools. They go out of their way to schedule each other in both basketball and football every year.

If you don't think Missouri would jump at the chance to join the Big 10 you are absolutely out of your mind. It boggles my mind that anybody would believe that.

And suggesting joining the Big 10 would damage (!!!!) Missouri's football program? Credibility anybody? Anybody? 

Mizzu and Illinois are definitely rivals, but I also don't see it happening.  Maybe it's my KU background but the Big 8 and then the Big 12 is a great conference with long standing rivalries. 

You're talking about a CHARTER MEMBER since 1907 (back then known as the MVIAA).  You don't just throw that away.  What would it give them that the Big 12 doesn't already have? 

I don't see a school with over 100 years in the same conference leaving to join the Big Ten where they have one rival and basically no other connection.  Just don't see it.....too much history with the Big 8/Big 12.


The Big 12 is also one of the best baseball conferences in the country.  I can't see Missouri giving that up to join the Big Ten which is pretty piss poor with baseball (sans Michigan and Minnesota).

[Aughnanure]

Mizzu and Illinois are definitely rivals, but I also don't see it happening.  Maybe it's my KU background but the Big 8 and then the Big 12 is a great conference with long standing rivalries. 

You're talking about a CHARTER MEMBER since 1907 (back then known as the MVIAA).  You don't just throw that away.  What would it give them that the Big 12 doesn't already have? 

I don't see a school with over 100 years in the same conference leaving to join the Big Ten where they have one rival and basically no other connection.  Just don't see it.....too much history with the Big 8/Big 12.

thank you

[Eye]

Arkansas to Big 12, then Missouri to Big 10.....

I like your idea better Indee.

[lurch91]

Football is king, but the B10 is pretty strong in both.  In the BCS era here are the rankings of BB/FB programs.
3 of the top 10 and 5 of 25.  If you threw in another revenue sport -hockey - it would be stronger.  

You're kidding right?  B10 doesn't have hockey.  All B10 hockey teams (for those schools that have a hockey team) play in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association with the likes of ND, Ferris State, Western Michigan, Lake Superior State, etc.  Although Minnesota and Wisconsin might play in the WCHA with Denver, and a few schools out west.

Ironic, you used hockey to support your argument of the B10, when in actuality not all the B10 even play in the same conference.

[GGGG]

Mizzu and Illinois are definitely rivals, but I also don't see it happening.  Maybe it's my KU background but the Big 8 and then the Big 12 is a great conference with long standing rivalries. 

You're talking about a CHARTER MEMBER since 1907 (back then known as the MVIAA).  You don't just throw that away.  What would it give them that the Big 12 doesn't already have? 

I don't see a school with over 100 years in the same conference leaving to join the Big Ten where they have one rival and basically no other connection.  Just don't see it.....too much history with the Big 8/Big 12.


The Big 12 is also one of the best baseball conferences in the country.  I can't see Missouri giving that up to join the Big Ten which is pretty piss poor with baseball (sans Michigan and Minnesota).

This is all fine and good, but when the Big Ten added Penn State, Missouri openly lobbied to be the 12th member.  They didn't exactly make it a secret.  Now this was pre-Big 12 days so their position might be different now, but at the time they were perfectly willing to sacrifice their history to join the B10.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The Commish says no-go....for now


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4141080

[The Lens]

I don't think you'll see the Big 10 expand via Mizzou, Cuse, Pitt or RU for awhile.  It is very, very obvious that they are going to give ND every chance possible to join their conference.

[GGGG]

The Commish says no-go....for now


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4141080

What I think would be most embarrasing for B10 fans, is that their commish just compared themselves to the ACC and the WAC.  Of course, he could have compared them to the SEC and the Big 12 - conferences where the championship game has been a run away success.

[TJ]

What I think would be most embarrasing for B10 fans, is that their commish just compared themselves to the ACC and the WAC.  Of course, he could have compared them to the SEC and the Big 12 - conferences where the championship game has been a run away success.

I'm all for bashing the Big 11 as much as possible, but he was referencing the ACC and the WAC because those conferences have recently gone through changes in membership institutions.

[GGGG]

I'm all for bashing the Big 11 as much as possible, but he was referencing the ACC and the WAC because those conferences have recently gone through changes in membership institutions.

No...he was referencing specifically the championship game:

"The issue has come up with our football coaches a couple times -- with the extra week and if we did expand, would we be more competitive?" Delany said. "I would say in some years they might be right. But has it enhanced the competitiveness of the ACC in football? Has it enhanced the competitiveness of the WAC? I don't know.

"Just because you have a championship doesn't make you more competitive. It's about coaching the players. The SEC game has been a marketing bonanza. I wouldn't discount that. But others have struggled with it."


I can guaranty that a B10 championship game in Indianapolis in early December would be a success.  This is the same conference that held out having a conference basketball tournament for years - and now it's considered very successful.

[Dish]

The Commish says no-go....for now


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4141080

He's stating the obvious. Earliest expansion can possibly happen is 2016/2017.

[TJ]

No...he was referencing specifically the championship game:

"The issue has come up with our football coaches a couple times -- with the extra week and if we did expand, would we be more competitive?" Delany said. "I would say in some years they might be right. But has it enhanced the competitiveness of the ACC in football? Has it enhanced the competitiveness of the WAC? I don't know.

"Just because you have a championship doesn't make you more competitive. It's about coaching the players. The SEC game has been a marketing bonanza. I wouldn't discount that. But others have struggled with it."


I can guaranty that a B10 championship game in Indianapolis in early December would be a success.  This is the same conference that held out having a conference basketball tournament for years - and now it's considered very successful.

I guess I just read his comments differently than you.  I thought he was referencing Expansion,  in the first paragraph and then Championships in the second paragraph.

I don't think he's necessarily right on either count, and I think you're right with your comment.  But I'm glad they don't do it because it would take 3 valuable tv hours away from something more interesting every year.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't think you'll see the Big 10 expand via Mizzou, Cuse, Pitt or RU for awhile.  It is very, very obvious that they are going to give ND every chance possible to join their conference.

Largely agree.  I, for one, actually think ND will have a good year this year in football.  I know many don't agree, but I see them winning 9 games.  If they start to do that again consistently then the harder it is to see them in a conference.

[ChicosBailBonds]

He's stating the obvious. Earliest expansion can possibly happen is 2016/2017.

I'm not sure I understand why....I know you referenced the Big Ten Network in another post.  We own part of the Big Ten Network and I deal with those guys all the time.  I'm not sure what reference to 2016/2017 is in play that would delay expansion.  At the end of the day, if the member institutions want to adjust the contract with all willing members agreeing to it, I don't see what it would have to wait until such date.

But you may be referencing something else....I'm not sure.

[butchbadger]

I agree that the B10 would like to wait for ND.  The problem is that won't happen unless they really stink for a few years.

This year their schedule breaks perfectly and they appear better than they really are and the fan base will get a little more patient.

[Dish]

I'm not sure I understand why....I know you referenced the Big Ten Network in another post.  We own part of the Big Ten Network and I deal with those guys all the time.  I'm not sure what reference to 2016/2017 is in play that would delay expansion.  At the end of the day, if the member institutions want to adjust the contract with all willing members agreeing to it, I don't see what it would have to wait until such date.

But you may be referencing something else....I'm not sure.

NBC's contract with Notre Dame is up at the end of the 2015 football campagin. From what I hear, the Big 11 wants to make another run at the Irish (still number one target). They want to exhaust this option before pursuing Rutgers and Syracuse.

Not that it matters to anyone here, but I've been told it's "a lock" that if there is ever a Big 11 conference title football game, it'll be played at Soldier Field (I doubt anyone cares though).

[ChicosBailBonds]

NBC's contract with Notre Dame is up at the end of the 2015 football campagin. From what I hear, the Big 11 wants to make another run at the Irish (still number one target). They want to exhaust this option before pursuing Rutgers and Syracuse.

Not that it matters to anyone here, but I've been told it's "a lock" that if there is ever a Big 11 conference title football game, it'll be played at Soldier Field (I doubt anyone cares though).

That would be as exciting as watching grass grow.  The benefit, of course, is that it gives the nation one more chance to see a lesser Big Ten team knock off an overy hyped pretender.  That should help occasionally purge them from the national championship game and the almost guaranteed destruction that follows by the end of the 1st quarter.

[harryp]

Interesting comment about ownership -- my nephew, Jim, works in TV for the Big 10 network.

[The Lens]

Not that it matters to anyone here, but I've been told it's "a lock" that if there is ever a Big 11 conference title football game, it'll be played at Soldier Field (I doubt anyone cares though).

Soldier would be a great venue.  I'm surprised though that they would hold it outdoors in December, I would think Lucas Oil would be the preferred spot from an event-staging perspective.

[mugrad99]

Mainly because there would never be the threat of IU being in it, and having a home filed advantage