What a great season, but when will we see its effect on recruiting?

[77ncaachamps]

Enjoying the moment, but always looking ahead.

With the incoming class signed, sealed, and delivered (maybe except for one - who knows?), when will be realize the wonderous effects of this current season, ranking, and exposure? For the 2010-11 class? Or is that too early?

[MR.HAYWARD]

look for a great 2010 class, packing the roster with talent after the 2009 haul.  Two great classes in arow, something douchebag could never do.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

This season's run certainly will help. Prospects looking at the top 10 and seeing MU up there with the other big boys of the BEast is certainly a plus. And the hype Buzz has been seeing of late (front page pic on ESPN.com today) will help recover some of the name recognition loss of TC. The 2009 class went a long way in giving me faith in Buzz's recruiting ability.

[Tulsa Warrior]

Bowen s already in the fold for 2010.

This year's run will open a lot more recruiting doors.  The 09 recruiting class will also help attract players in the future.  I look for Buzz and Company to blast open the doors on the top Wisconsin prep talent as well.  Inroads are already beng made on that front.  (players coming to watch the games)

[jmayer1]

It's easy to get great classes when there is a ton of playing time available (see Wade's class, 3 amigos), but we'll really see what kind of a recruiter Buzz is the next few years when it looks like there may not be a ton of pt if the 2009 class pans out.

[Hards Alumni]

+1

it doesn't have as much to do with having a 'good recruiter' as it does to do with PT.

only a few schools can offer less PT, but be great basketball schools, and get great recruits... see UNC, Duke, KU, etc.

[MU Chi_IL]

Does anyone have info on Aaron Bowen, his wiki page could use a sponsor to fill it out:

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball_recruits/aaron_bowen

[MR.HAYWARD]

It's easy to get great classes when there is a ton of playing time available (see Wade's class, 3 amigos), but we'll really see what kind of a recruiter Buzz is the next few years when it looks like there may not be a ton of pt if the 2009 class pans out.

It is also easy to offer that as an excuse....UNC signs a big time recruitng class packed full of 4 and 5 star players every year.  As does Kansas, UCLA, Memphis.  Now I will be the first one to admit we do not exactly have the cacheof those schools and dont necessarily run in their rarefied air when it comes to recruitng.  But I will add that BE schools such as Nova, Pitt, UConn, Syracuse and Louisville, sign big time classes year after year and have no trouble following thos eclasses up with big time class after big time class.  To use playing time as an excuse provides recruitng like we had in the past nine year= 2 good classes.  That will not cut it in the BE if we want to run with the aforementioned schools.  Buzz knows this.  Playing time is an excuse.  Look at JAy wright he signed two Mcdonalds all american gurad int he the 2 coreys who will be Juniors next year and in the meantime has two Mcdonalds all american gurds coming in for next year. Similar examples at the other schools i mentioned.  Kids want to play but more importantly kids want to win and in many cases are willing to sit for a year or two in order to do it.  Lastly, if a kid can play and is on a winnign team there is always playing time..see Jimmy Butler.  Buzz will not use that as an excuse and will defy the pundits with his recruiting.  Crean sold you a lie.

[MR.HAYWARD]

This season's run certainly will help. Prospects looking at the top 10 and seeing MU up there with the other big boys of the BEast is certainly a plus. And the hype Buzz has been seeing of late (front page pic on ESPN.com today) will help recover some of the name recognition loss of TC. The 2009 class went a long way in giving me faith in Buzz's recruiting ability.

This season will help recover "some"......ahh I think that is a little conservative.  As far as recruitng etc Crean is not even an issue.  Buzz has blown the doors off in such a huge way that he does not even enter a recruits thoughts at this point.  In fact most players Buzz is talking to never even spoke or were contacted by Crean as Mu's coach.  Even if they were what buzz has doen only makes Mu look better and Crean look worse.  We are not in a recovery process, my fellow poster, we are leap years ahead of where we were at this time last year on a recognition and interest scale.  Add in Buzzs effort and recruitng ability and we are off the charts.  Simply look at the kids intereted in MU, this is unprecedented in the last 25 years as was his 2009 class all this by a guy who 6 months ago was being questioned by you same people if he should have the job. 

See mark Few Dan mosson for a reference.... let's hope the IU..Minnesota part plays out too.

[Daniel]

It is also easy to offer that as an excuse....UNC signs a big time recruitng class packed full of 4 and 5 star players every year.  As does Kansas, UCLA, Memphis.  Now I will be the first one to admit we do not exactly have the cacheof those schools and dont necessarily run in their rarefied air when it comes to recruitng.  But I will add that BE schools such as Nova, Pitt, UConn, Syracuse and Louisville, sign big time classes year after year and have no trouble following thos eclasses up with big time class after big time class.  To use playing time as an excuse provides recruitng like we had in the past nine year= 2 good classes.  That will not cut it in the BE if we want to run with the aforementioned schools.  Buzz knows this.  Playing time is an excuse.  Look at JAy wright he signed two Mcdonalds all american gurad int he the 2 coreys who will be Juniors next year and in the meantime has two Mcdonalds all american gurds coming in for next year. Similar examples at the other schools i mentioned.  Kids want to play but more importantly kids want to win and in many cases are willing to sit for a year or two in order to do it.  Lastly, if a kid can play and is on a winnign team there is always playing time..see Jimmy Butler.  Buzz will not use that as an excuse and will defy the pundits with his recruiting.  Crean sold you a lie.

This is the key - Buzz has said all along he wasn 13 D-1 scholarship players on the team who can play.  He want s to look down the bench and be able to sub in whoever he wants to and not worry about quality.  If we ever have this, there will be no stopping MU - and the kids, as you said with Butler, will play if they have the talen.  SO if Buzz can keep recruiting top classes, the PT (some) will be there whether the kid is a starter or a sub.

[MU Chi_IL]

I took the first cut, anyone else have info...

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball_recruits/aaron_bowen

[ErickJD08]

The PT is an excuse.  If it were that important, I don't know how you couldn't get a big man.  Sit the young monster down at a game and say "Do you think you can start over that guy?  Could you turn those easy layups into Sport Centers Top 10?"  IF PT was a huge deal, we have had plenty of it at the 5 spot that Crean couldn't fill.  I think we are going to have a killer 2010 class.  Buzz was able to recruit a top rated class when his buzz was "Who is Buzz?!?" and "It's Indiana... It's Indiana".  I can only imagine what will happen if we (for the sake of argument) finish on top of the BE and he wins BE COY.  But I think what everyone on this board is looking for is a consistent good recruiting.  Which we did not get with Crean.  I think we will see a good 2010 class.

[downtown85]

We have Bowen coming in 2010. He is projected as a 2 or a 3, I believe.  One thing Buzz can offer is playing time at the 1 and 2 spots.  Mo and Cubes are leaving after 2009 and we will need another point guard and shooting guard.  Buycks is leaving in 2011 so the 2 guard is open for a very highly rated recruit. 

If we get Riley, we have the 4 and 5 covered for 3 to 4 years along with Otule, McMorrow, Mayman, and Williams. 

One thing this season has reinforced is that you need great guards to have success in college.  Buzz needs to go all out after a great PG and SG in 2010.  Any recruit watching this year's team play will see a great opportunity to come and play for Buzz.

[jmayer1]

It is also easy to offer that as an excuse....UNC signs a big time recruitng class packed full of 4 and 5 star players every year.  As does Kansas, UCLA, Memphis.  Now I will be the first one to admit we do not exactly have the cacheof those schools and dont necessarily run in their rarefied air when it comes to recruitng.  But I will add that BE schools such as Nova, Pitt, UConn, Syracuse and Louisville, sign big time classes year after year and have no trouble following thos eclasses up with big time class after big time class.  To use playing time as an excuse provides recruitng like we had in the past nine year= 2 good classes.  That will not cut it in the BE if we want to run with the aforementioned schools.  Buzz knows this.  Playing time is an excuse.  Look at JAy wright he signed two Mcdonalds all american gurad int he the 2 coreys who will be Juniors next year and in the meantime has two Mcdonalds all american gurds coming in for next year. Similar examples at the other schools i mentioned.  Kids want to play but more importantly kids want to win and in many cases are willing to sit for a year or two in order to do it.  Lastly, if a kid can play and is on a winnign team there is always playing time..see Jimmy Butler.  Buzz will not use that as an excuse and will defy the pundits with his recruiting.  Crean sold you a lie.

Who's offering playing time as an excuse? Nobody.  If you don't think it's easier for MU to pull in monster classes when tons of pt is available then you my friend aren't too bright (of course you've proved that on numerous occasions already).  I agree that Crean should have been more consistent in recruiting but he wasn't.  I am simply stating that Buzz pulled in a hell of a class for next year but it remains to be seen if he can follow that up with another stellar class in 2010.  Hopefully he can as I think that will be a true measure of his recruiting prowess. 

[rocky_warrior]

Buzz was able to recruit a top rated class when his buzz was "Who is Buzz?!?"

Heck, Buzz recruited a top 50 class at UNO, and I think their top scorer this year  (Dykes) is a Buzz recruit (none of the others play for UNO).

Further, our "top" guy off the bench (Butler) is a true Buzz recruit. 

I'm not worried at all about his eye for talent.  The only question is, can he deal with inexperienced players as well as he's dealt with an experienced team.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Who's offering playing time as an excuse? Nobody.  If you don't think it's easier for MU to pull in monster classes when tons of pt is available then you my friend aren't too bright (of course you've proved that on numerous occasions already).  I agree that Crean should have been more consistent in recruiting but he wasn't.  I am simply stating that Buzz pulled in a hell of a class for next year but it remains to be seen if he can follow that up with another stellar class in 2010.  Hopefully he can as I think that will be a true measure of his recruiting prowess. 

You have bought into Crean's lie.  if playing time were such a big issue why did we not sign a quality big in Tommy naismiths last 8 yeears?  Read ErickJD08's post he hits the nail on the head.  How does Jay wright sign to mcd's AA's a year after he signed 2 of them at the same positions.  How does Uconn and Pitt ans Syracuse do it every year?    Please you have bought into the Crean lie for so long you beleive it.  When ateam is winning and winning big and the team has talented depth the starters will only play 25 minutes in a easy win and the subs get 15-20 minutes.  More than enough "playing time" for akid for a year or two until he cracks the starting role even then he might only pick up and additonal 5-10 minutes agame.  on a good deep talented team you dont have to start to get playing time.  Jimmy Butler is the perfect example.  if we had 2-3-4- more Jimmy Butler types the big 4 would not be avergaing 36 minutes and playing time would not be an issue. i have coached for a long time and there is always playing time for akid that can play, playing time becoames an issue with that kid when he cannot. Play.  Perfect recent example is Diener as a freshman, Pg who could play but was seemingly stuck behind a 4 year starter in Cordell and a future Nba Alss star in Dwade at the 2.  Was playing time an issue or did he get a bunch of it??!?!?!?!?   Same with Hutchins before,  Tony Miller all time Mu great, 4 year starter 2nd all time in NCAA assists, in comes Hutch as a Freshman, kid could play kid plyed a ton.  coach went three guard alot becuase he was so damn good.  Dont give me your playing time BS, that is an ignorant statment/lie.  If a kid can play playing time is not an issue.   

[jmayer1]

You have bought into Crean's lie.  if playing time were such a big issue why did we not sign a quality big in Tommy naismiths last 8 yeears?  Read ErickJD08's post he hits the nail on the head.  How does Jay wright sign to mcd's AA's a year after he signed 2 of them at the same positions.  How does Uconn and Pitt ans Syracuse do it every year?    Please you have bought into the Crean lie for so long you beleive it.  When ateam is winning and winning big and the team has talented depth the starters will only play 25 minutes in a easy win and the subs get 15-20 minutes.  More than enough "playing time" for akid for a year or two until he cracks the starting role even then he might only pick up and additonal 5-10 minutes agame.  on a good deep talented team you dont have to start to get playing time.  Jimmy Butler is the perfect example.  if we had 2-3-4- more Jimmy Butler types the big 4 would not be avergaing 36 minutes and playing time would not be an issue. i have coached for a long time and there is always playing time for akid that can play, playing time becoames an issue with that kid when he cannot. Play.  Perfect recent example is Diener as a freshman, Pg who could play but was seemingly stuck behind a 4 year starter in Cordell and a future Nba Alss star in Dwade at the 2.  Was playing time an issue or did he get a bunch of it??!?!?!?!?   Same with Hutchins before,  Tony Miller all time Mu great, 4 year starter 2nd all time in NCAA assists, in comes Hutch as a Freshman, kid could play kid plyed a ton.  coach went three guard alot becuase he was so damn good.  Dont give me your playing time BS, that is an ignorant statment/lie.  If a kid can play playing time is not an issue.   

Hayward, can you comprehend?  Seriously, can you read words, put them together into sentences that form paragraphs and understand what the point of those paragraphs were? 

Let me make this crystal clear in words that you might be able to understand.

I am not using playing time as an excuse for why some of Crean's recruiting classes weren't stellar as I don't think that should be used as an excuse (as you and others correctly pointed out).  I am stating when there was ample playing time and scholarships available, Crean (and now Buzz) pulled in some pretty good classes.  Thus, I don't think you can judge Buzz's recruiting until you see what kind of class he puts together for 2010.  I hope he is able to pull in another 3 top 100 recruits, something Crean wasn't able to do in the years following his good recruiting classes.  If he only grabs 1 top 100 guys and a couple "projects" he will have done the exact same thing Crean did after his good classes.

Once you have read the above paragraph, reread it.  Then, maybe read it again and take notes on what some of the key points were.  Next, gather up those notes and try to form a cognitive, grammatically correct response that addresses what I said.  If you can do this, maybe your posts will actually add something to the board once in awhile and you won't continue to be ignored by 11 other members.

[ATWizJr]

Hay, stopp pikking on Haweird. It mey bee hiz typping schills hav knot cauht upp wit hiz ablity two reeson an compreehand.

[jmayer1]

No response Hayward and then you call me out in another thread after Buzz recruits a guy that's off everyone's radar?  Fu#$ing typical!!!!