Do we over-recruit 2009?

[Marquette_g]

Now that we have filled out the 2009 class, just curious what people think the chances of over-recruiting an additional player are?  It sounds as though we remain high on the list of a number of talented players and it might not be the worst idea.  Of course I have no insight on where a new slot would open up.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Not necessarily but what we can do is set all of our sights on 2010 instaed of having to focus the majority of our attention on filling out 2009.  expect unofficials galore of 2010's and a big number of them at games, midnigh madness etc.  #1 prority is a 5 star Sg!!

[Ready2Fly]

I say no.  That's something that Crean used to do, and it would drive me crazy.  The roster is well-balanced now, so there is really no need to do so.

[RJax55]

Now that we have filled out the 2009 class, just curious what people think the chances of over-recruiting an additional player are?  It sounds as though we remain high on the list of a number of talented players and it might not be the worst idea.  Of course I have no insight on where a new slot would open up.

Hopefully this practice left with Crean. I'm not a fan of over-recruiting as all it does is led to speculation about who's leaving. See all the rumors and hearsay regarding James and his situation for the past two years.

I hope going forward with Buzz, if a player leaves the program, their scholarship is either filled in the springtime or rolled over for the next recruiting class.  Please don't anticipate a player leaving the program, because as we seen, things can change very quickly.

[MR.HAYWARD]

well said it was a terrible practice as everyone knew the ax would fall for someone.  Is that really a family?  or a threatening atmosphere? Additionally, to tell recruits james is gone...well that is either unfair to james or it is a lie. 
Nice to have a guy at the helm that believes in honesty and by golly you can still sign the best recruitng class in 25 years with it!!

[chapman]

I hope it stops.  I'm not comfortable with putting pressure on players to leave or with looking for excuses to prevent qualifying recruits from enrolling.  The roster has good balance and an unexpected transfer or failure to enroll wouldn't be the end of the world.  Plus, it's only summer.  There's still plenty of time for issues to come up, and plenty of time to get another good player if it becoems necessary.

[Blackhat]

I'm fine with it as long as the players know the situation.   Take this year for example.   What if Pat Hazel spends another season on the bench?   Odds are he won't want to stick around but then we're screwed cause our options become very limited by April.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Tempting because of Maymon.  There are certainly some folks in the Madison area that don't think he's going to make or will make it by the skin of his teeth.  Others are more optimistic.

My guess is that he does not.

[dwaderoy2004]

Tempting because of Maymon.  There are certainly some folks in the Madison area that don't think he's going to make or will make it by the skin of his teeth.  Others are more optimistic.

My guess is that he does not.

Buzz does not over recruit?  or Maymon does not qualify?

And I don't think Buzz will over recruit...

[nyg]

Nice pick up with Cadougan, but something inside keeps on telling me I wish it was Jamil Wilson. 

[RJax55]

I'm fine with it as long as the players know the situation.   Take this year for example.   What if Pat Hazel spends another season on the bench?   Odds are he won't want to stick around but then we're screwed cause our options become very limited by April.   

It's a bad practice. Also, you're proving my point about over-recruiting leading directly to speculation about who's leaving with your Hazel comments. Hazel may not see a lot of minutes next year, but it doesn't mean that he is going to leave. You just assume that will be the case.

Look for the past two seasons, I heard all types of rumors regarding DJ leaving MU early, mainly due to the scholarship situation. When Crean oversigned, most people pointed at DJ as the likely candidate to leave. During that time, all sorts of things were said to make you believe he was leaving early, from comments about his family situation to even a rumor I read about him having a guarantee contact in Europe. With all the things that were posted and said, DJ will still be at MU for his senior season.

Finally, I disagree with this notion that if somebody leaves early, especially the 11th, 12th or 13th man on the roster, that MU is now screwed in finding their replacement. The scholarship can be rolled over to the next class if suitable prospects are not available. In addition, Buzz and staff seemed to have a ton of contacts, opening many doors for MU to find a capable replacement during the spring period if need be.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The question is:

Is Patrick Hazel John Harris, or Krunti Hester?

Nobody knows yet.

He might turn out to be a nice role player.

[bilsu]

Assuming Wilson is going to wait to March to decide, he is the only player we should continue to recruit with the understanding he only gets a scholarship if a position opens up. I do not think we should sign another player in the fall class.

[nyg]

If Wilson really wanted to commit to MU, don't you think that in some way, some how, word would have been mentioned to the MU staff.  Then Buzz might have held a spot for him.  Now the only way is if Maymon does not qualify, then it might be too late or if someone like Hazel leaves. Right now it seems like a nice mix of players, and I presume Buzz is starting on the class of 2010. 

[farmdaddy]

If Wilson really wanted to commit to MU, don't you think that in some way, some how, word would have been mentioned to the MU staff.  Then Buzz might have held a spot for him.  Now the only way is if Maymon does not qualify, then it might be too late or if someone like Hazel leaves. Right now it seems like a nice mix of players, and I presume Buzz is starting on the class of 2010. 

+1

[bma725]

If Wilson really wanted to commit to MU, don't you think that in some way, some how, word would have been mentioned to the MU staff.  Then Buzz might have held a spot for him.  Now the only way is if Maymon does not qualify, then it might be too late or if someone like Hazel leaves. Right now it seems like a nice mix of players, and I presume Buzz is starting on the class of 2010. 

Buzz had a sit down with Wilson and his family soon after taking over as head coach, after that meeting the recruitment of Maymon started to take off.  It doesn't take much to see that Wilson probably told him MU was not a top choice now that Crean is gone.

[Blackhat]

Buzz had a sit down with Wilson and his family soon after taking over as head coach, after that meeting the recruitment of Maymon started to take off.  It doesn't take much to see that Wilson probably told him MU was not a top choice now that Crean is gone.

Do you have a link?  Cause all I remember hearing is Buzz had a sit down with the Wilson family after the Maymon commitment.   Buzz spent much of his first few weeks as HC following Maymon on the AAU circuit.   

[bma725]

Do you have a link?  Cause all I remember hearing is Buzz had a sit down with the Wilson family after the Maymon commitment.   Buzz spent much of his first few weeks as HC following Maymon on the AAU circuit.   

Sit down came before the Maymon commit, somebody close to the situation posted the whole story on the Scout Premium board awhile back.  The Maymon recruitment didn't really take off until Buzz hired Tony Benford, who already knew the family and started working on Jerrone instead of Devonte in early May.

[Blackhat]

I actually know the post you're talking about.  He never stated when the "sit down" took place but did post the info 15 days after Maymon committed. 

[MUONTOP]

Well either situation described is still purely speculation of what really happened during the "sit-down"  Personally I think Wilson is MSU bound but there is an article on ESPN's College Basketball page about Duke seemingly cooling on Wilson so he may not have all the options still coming after him as hard. 

[Wareagle]

Well either situation described is still purely speculation of what really happened during the "sit-down"  Personally I think Wilson is MSU bound but there is an article on ESPN's College Basketball page about Duke seemingly cooling on Wilson so he may not have all the options still coming after him as hard. 

I think this is what you're talking about.

"Versatile 6-7 P/WF Jamil Wilson (Racine, Wisc./Horlick) has long had Duke as one of his favorite schools, but the Blue Devils do not appear to be actively recruiting the 2009 ESPN 100 prospect. Watching him perform at the NBPA Top 100 Camp, Wilson reminded me somewhat of former Duke player Jamal Boykin, who transferred last year."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3471571

[77ncaachamps]

I think this is what you're talking about.

"Versatile 6-7 P/WF Jamil Wilson (Racine, Wisc./Horlick) has long had Duke as one of his favorite schools, but the Blue Devils do not appear to be actively recruiting the 2009 ESPN 100 prospect. Watching him perform at the NBPA Top 100 Camp, Wilson reminded me somewhat of former Duke player Jamal Boykin, who transferred last year."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3471571

Ewwww.

I hope Jamal reads that article in disgust!

[The Lens]

The question is:

Is Patrick Hazel John Harris, or Krunti Hester?

Nobody knows yet.

He might turn out to be a nice role player.

Ding Ding Ding

Seniors can be very valuable.  Lets let a guy complete his eligibility, he may just win a ball game for you.

/Mike Kinsella

[shaquilvaine]

Jamil had the decency to tell MU they weren't the top dog any more and Buzz and staff went in another direction... it's as simple as that.  When Crean left, the Wilson to MU ship sailed.  Had Crean stayed, Wilson would've played for the warriors. 

[The Lens]

Jamil had the decency to tell MU they weren't the top dog any more and Buzz and staff went in another direction... it's as simple as that.  When Crean left, the Wilson to MU ship sailed.  Had Crean stayed, Wilson would've played for the warriors. 

I've talked with area HS coaches who say we're much better off with Maymon.