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Cheeks

Quote from: Pakuni on January 01, 2020, 05:53:59 PM
Ignorance is bliss.

LOL.  Yup, every Gallup poll since 2003...if we only knew what was really going on behind the numbers.

Coincidentally non Gallup polls on the same subject show the same thing...but only if knew.

Outstanding
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2020, 07:20:21 PM
LOL.  Yup, every Gallup poll since 2003...if we only knew what was really going on behind the numbers.

Coincidentally non Gallup polls on the same subject show the same thing...but only if knew.

Outstanding

"My worst, my absolute worst about me came on this message board....and for that I apologize to you. The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc.  Just not good... UGH. Embarrassing."  --Jams
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: TSmith34 on January 01, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
"My worst, my absolute worst about me came on this message board....and for that I apologize to you. The desire to be right all the time, push buttons, get the last word in, etc.  Just not good... UGH. Embarrassing."  --Jams

Just another thing he was lying about.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Cheeks

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 01, 2020, 07:35:50 PM
Just another thing he was lying about.

Lol.  I give what I get here.  For someone like you, who always has to have the last word as well, to pontificate on this is funny.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

mu03eng

Quote from: Cheeks on January 01, 2020, 05:28:32 PM
These guys are going to play in a game with their argument that they protecting millions in future revenues for a much smaller amount from NIL?

Depends on what their NIL contracts say. If they have to appear in the bowl games as part of the agreement then yes they would or they'd be in breach.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

Jay Bee

Quote from: mu03eng on January 02, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
Depends on what their NIL contracts say. If they have to appear in the bowl games as part of the agreement then yes they would or they'd be in breach.

NIL isn't the relevant doc here.
The portal is NOT closed.

mu03eng

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 02, 2020, 03:14:07 PM
NIL isn't the relevant doc here.

Sure it is, if we want to fix this. Your argument is that the scholarship agreement requires their participation....it does not otherwise it's conditional which make them university employees which as has been repeated ad nauseum (correctly) in the eyes of the law SAs are not employees.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

Cheeks

Quote from: mu03eng on January 02, 2020, 01:45:29 PM
Depends on what their NIL contracts say. If they have to appear in the bowl games as part of the agreement then yes they would or they'd be in breach.

And they will say so what, the amount of money at risk of injury vs what they would get from NIL is no comparison.  That's why I don't see how your argument holds water.  NIL isn't going to stop these guys from sitting out.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 31, 2019, 10:28:40 AM
You probably believe that. Sad!

No, when he played in the senior bowl after quitting on his team.

when you're the least famous of your brothers maybe he felt he had no choice...unless he wanted to quit football to be a "youtube celebrity" whose talent is convincing others you have talent instead of taking a beating on a weekly basis.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Jay Bee

#109

Hi, I am not good at reading comprehension
The portal is NOT closed.

Cheeks

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 02, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
No, and I'm not sure you know what an NLI is. First, it's not required. Second, it's relevant for one year and that's it.

My argument is that NCAA bylaws allow a school to revoke athletic aid if a kid voluntarily quits. That's just factual.

Isn't he talking about NIL, not NLI?
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

The Sultan

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 02, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
No, and I'm not sure you know what an NLI is. First, it's not required. Second, it's relevant for one year and that's it.

Reading would be helpful. He said NIL (name, image, likeness) not NLI.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 02, 2020, 07:53:59 PM
My argument is that NCAA bylaws allow a school to revoke athletic aid if a kid voluntarily quits. That's just factual.

Not if they skip a bowl game.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jay Bee

The portal is NOT closed.

mu03eng

Quote from: Cheeks on January 02, 2020, 04:13:45 PM
And they will say so what, the amount of money at risk of injury vs what they would get from NIL is no comparison.  That's why I don't see how your argument holds water.  NIL isn't going to stop these guys from sitting out.

Simple contract law, if the "advertisement" agreement I sign as part of my NIL with the local car dealership includes the requirement that I participate in all relevant games(as an example) and then I willfully sit out one of those said games I'm in breach of contract and all the money I earned can be taken away via lawsuit.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

mu03eng

Quote from: mu03eng on January 03, 2020, 06:42:49 AM
Simple contract law, if the "advertisement" agreement I sign as part of my NIL with the local car dealership includes the requirement that I participate in all relevant games(as an example) and then I willfully sit out one of those said games I'm in breach of contract and all the money I earned can be taken away via lawsuit.

Keep in mind, the kids we are talking about sitting out bowl games are also the kids that are going to get the biggest contracts under NIL provisions if available. So having that money plus the hassle of legal action if they sit out is likely to be more than enough to get them back into the games that don't actually matter that we all watch like lemmings. Yes the NIL contracts won't be nearly as big as the NFL contracts but they are certainly something more than the nothing burger they currently get to play a meaningless game.
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

Cheeks

Quote from: mu03eng on January 03, 2020, 06:42:49 AM
Simple contract law, if the "advertisement" agreement I sign as part of my NIL with the local car dealership includes the requirement that I participate in all relevant games(as an example) and then I willfully sit out one of those said games I'm in breach of contract and all the money I earned can be taken away via lawsuit.

Understand completely, but what I am saying is "all that money" from the local car dealership will pale in comparison to the risk / reward calculus he will do and will happily breach IMO. 
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

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