Kenpom vs net

[Boston Warrior]

Quick explanation...

Marquette 28 in kp, 58 in net rankings

Why such a big difference?

[cheebs09]

Quick explanation...

Marquette 28 in kp, 58 in net rankings

Why such a big difference?

One is developed by the NCAA.

[Nukem2]

KPomis more predictive and forward looking.

[brewcity77]

Kenpom factors in past and predictive data, so it makes some mathematical assumptions on what we think we know. The NET is only based on current year data, so it's strictly the performances we've seen this year.

The NET rates us low largely because the best teams we've beaten (Purdue, Davidson, K-State) have underperformed mathematical expectations. We've also been hurt by losses to a poor Wisconsin team & a slumping Maryland. Win in Big East play and they should both even out.

[Nukem2]

For last season, MU's final NET was 28 and final KPom was 33 (think the BET/NCAA  games affected the final KPom #...?).

[shoothoops]

Net uses KenPom. But it also includes, ESPN BPI, KPI, Jeff Sagarin.

Also it emphasizes four type of quadrants for home, neutral, road games.

The Net also limits margin of victory to 10. And it doesn't matter if you played your opponent early or late.

[Jay Bee]

Net uses KenPom. But it also includes, ESPN BPI, KPI, Jeff Sagarin.

Also it emphasizes four type of quadrants for home, neutral, road games.

The Net also limits margin of victory to 10. And it doesn't matter if you played your opponent early or late.

None of this is true

[dinger]

NET is to create NCAA tourney resumes. My opinion (which isn't worth much) is that it is pointless now since no team resume is good enough for the March tourney today. KP doesnt care about tourney resumes and just uses analytics to calculate overall team rankings. Eventually they tend to converge.

[Cheeks]

Net uses KenPom. But it also includes, ESPN BPI, KPI, Jeff Sagarin.

Also it emphasizes four type of quadrants for home, neutral, road games.

The Net also limits margin of victory to 10. And it doesn't matter if you played your opponent early or late.

Actually NET doesn't use any of those other systems, it is it's own system. 

The NCAA selection committee has stated that they use multiple systems in their evaluation of teams...that may have been what you meant.  To what extent those others are used or what weight they are given is not defined.

[shoothoops]

None of this is true

I meant what the NCAA uses.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking%3famp

[mu03eng]

NET really doesn't make sense until the last third of the season. We're two spots behind Wisconsin even though they have more losses, their loses are to opponents that on average are worse than our worse loses and their wins are against teams that are on average are worse then our average wins.

It'll work out and it will be more useful later in the season

[wadesworld]

NET really doesn't make sense until the last third of the season. We're two spots behind Wisconsin even though they have more losses, their loses are to opponents that on average are worse than our worse loses and their wins are against teams that are on average are worse then our average wins.

It'll work out and it will be more useful later in the season

But they just added the blendered version of Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabar, LeBron James, and Wilt Chamberlin to their team today so...

[Herman Cain]

NET is an evaluative tool designed by the NCAA which they are using instead of RPI for Men's College Basketball. The NET formula has not yet been published and, as far as I know, no one has reverse the engineered it .


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking%3Famp

[Cheeks]

NET is an evaluative tool designed by the NCAA which they are using instead of RPI for Men's College Basketball. The NET formula has not yet been published and, as far as I know, no one has reverse the engineered it . As part of the construction of the NET , the NCAA has said there are some individual components of Ken Pom and others stats services that are part of the weighting.

Not sure this is accurate.  Sagarin, BPI and Pomeroy are part of the Net team sheets, but I don't believe have any5hing to do with the actual net ranking.  At least from what I can tell.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking

[brewcity77]

NET is an evaluative tool designed by the NCAA which they are using instead of RPI for Men's College Basketball. The NET formula has not yet been published and, as far as I know, no one has reverse the engineered it . As part of the construction of the NET , the NCAA has said there are some individual components of Ken Pom and others stats services that are part of the weighting.

I don't think that last part is true. Pomeroy specifically told the NCAA not to use his model. Kenpom & other rankings do appear on the team sheet, but the NET is a metric of its own.

[Herman Cain]

I don't think that last part is true. Pomeroy specifically told the NCAA not to use his model. Kenpom & other rankings do appear on the team sheet, but the NET is a metric of its own.

I will amend post to reflect