Would you trade the future, for a Final Four

[mu_hilltopper]

C'mon topper. I get why you don't think Wojo has been successful but Marquette isn't a high major program? Go eat some Arby's

Marquette is a major program, but not a high major. 

I suppose everyone can kibitz on what's a high major, but I'd define them as the Kentuckys, UNCs, and Kansases of the world.   

[mu_hilltopper]

You stated your opinion: Wojo will leave if he wins 2 tournament games next year.

I disagree.  I think Wojo would be more likely to stay and build off of that success.

Indeed, the "Coach K" factor is hard to predict.  That being said, year 7 is unlikely to be as successful as year 6 .. meaning Wojo (if he stayed) would be pinning a lot on year 8.  Decent success in Year 8 + Coach K hanging around 2 more years.  That's a tight needle to thread.

At the moment, April 10, 2019, this is all moot.  Duke is not hiring a guy with zero NCAA wins.  As you said .. let Wojo get to the 2nd weekend, so we can test these theories out.

[brewcity77]

Marquette is a major program, but not a high major. 

I suppose everyone can kibitz on what's a high major, but I'd define them as the Kentuckys, UNCs, and Kansases of the world.

Those are blue blood programs. Everyone in the ACC, Big 10, Big East, Big 12, & SEC are high-majors. I supposed I should probably include the Pac-12 because of the money they have and the AAC is pretty darn close, but those first five I think are no doubters.

[Hards Alumni]

Indeed, the "Coach K" factor is hard to predict.  That being said, year 7 is unlikely to be as successful as year 6 .. meaning Wojo (if he stayed) would be pinning a lot on year 8.  Decent success in Year 8 + Coach K hanging around 2 more years.  That's a tight needle to thread.

At the moment, April 10, 2019, this is all moot.  Duke is not hiring a guy with zero NCAA wins.  As you said .. let Wojo get to the 2nd weekend, so we can test these theories out.

Exactly.  Wojo's career does not exist in a vacuum.  There are two potential NBA players on next years team... note, I said potential.  After next year, how many will there be on the team?

[wadesworld]

Oh come on.  Duke is not going to make a determination on who to hire as the coach to come in and follow Coach K based on the season that coach just had in K's final season at Duke.  They're looking at the total body of a guy's work.

Side note, I could see any of Markus, Sam, Joey, and Brendan playing in the NBA down the road.

[Its DJOver]

Oh come on.  Duke is not going to make a determination on who to hire as the coach to come in and follow Coach K based on the season that coach just had in K's final season at Duke.  They're looking at the total body of a guy's work.

Side note, I could see any of Markus, Sam, Joey, and Brendan playing in the NBA down the road.

Yep, despite trailing 1-0 in the tourney wins column, Wojo would get the job before Collins.  Neither would get it based on their current body of work, but people that think that Duke is just going to look at how many tourney wins a coach has are crazy.

[GooooMarquette]

Marquette is a major program, but not a high major. 

I suppose everyone can kibitz on what's a high major, but I'd define them as the Kentuckys, UNCs, and Kansases of the world.

You seem to be using "high major" to describe the level most people would call "blue blood."

[Loose Cannon]

The differentiating factor is that Buzz took 3 years to get two March wins.  (Actually 3.)  (Yes, yes, bare cupboard, blah blah blah.  Wojo's next job interviewer isn't going to be fond of all the excuses.)

Wojo is on year 5 with zero.  If year 6 he collects two ..with the next season minus two NBA players on his roster and a healthier Big East?  Time to jump.

His stock would be the highest it's ever been, and he'll need to reset his clock.  He can't go 7-8 years at Marquette without showing consistent success or he'll be doomed to the Horizon League for his inevitable job #2.

He can't risk being at an underperforming Marquette for so many years.

So its Stepping Stone or Bust.

[mu_hilltopper]

You seem to be using "high major" to describe the level most people would call "blue blood."

Ok, ok, I stand corrected with the terminology.

[MUPhilly]

I think it's really hard to say that Wojo will be 100% gone if he wins two games in March Madness next year without having any idea of which jobs will be available.

In the ACC, the only jobs that I could see being available that aren't from a retirement/NBA hiring are:

Wake Forest - Manning (1 NCAA appearance in 5 years)
Boston College - Christian (0 NCCA appearances in 5 years)
Miami - Larrañaga (5 NCAA appearances, two Sweet Sixteens since 2011, is 70 years old and is tied to the FBI scandal)
Georgia Tech - Pastner (0 NCAA appearances in 3 years)
Pittsburgh - Capel (0 NCAA appearances in 2 years and they've been really bad)

In the Big 12:

Texas - Smart (we all know how things have gone there)
OSU - Boynton (will be only three years in, but is tied to the FBI scandal and they are funded by oil barons and can spend whatever they want if they feel it isn't working)

In the Big 10:

Penn State - Chambers (been there forever, no success - but that school does not give a f*** about basketball)
Rutgers - Pikiell - (will be four years in and no NCAA appearances)
Maryland - Turgeon (NCAA appearance 5 out of last 6 years, 1 Sweet Sixteen but rumors about boosters wanting a change) 
Illinois - Underwood (will be only three years in)
Indiana - Miller (will be only three years in)

In the SEC:

Unless there is a retirement or the NBA hires someone away, I don't think a single school in the SEC makes a coaching change next year.

In the PAC-12:

Washington, Oregon, UCLA, Cal, and ASU won't be making coaching changes next year and I guess any other school here could make a change.

USC and Arizona both have outstanding recruiting classes coming in but both Miller and Enfield have ties to the FBI investigation. Miller probably gets another year, Enfield who knows.

Conclusion:

I think it's unlikely but possible Illinois, Indiana, or Maryland fire coaches next year. Miami maybe fires/forces Larrañaga into retirement.

Texas is clearly a good job and opportunity if Smart is fired. OSU has oil money and can do whatever they want.

USC is an interesting option for Wojo, especially with the recruiting class coming in, but that school is huge dumpster fire right now. I guess if USC wanted to make a statement about running a clean program after all the scandals, Wojo would also be a good PR move.

Maryland, since that is where Wojo is from, jumps up if they fire Turgeon, but Wojo's record - even if he gets to the Sweet 16 in 19-20 - will be less than that of Turgeons.

If Wojo gets us to the Sweet Sixteen he will get a big contract extension and pay raise. So I have a hard time seeing him going to a middle of the road/bottom ACC program for comparable money. He isn't going to another Big East school. Penn State and Rutgers suck. SEC would take some sort of retirement/domino effect to open a job for Wojo if he has success.

So Texas and USC would be my main worries of the two jobs that seem very likely to have openings -- but I doubt Wojo is the #1 choice for either with a Sweet 16 run.

[JakeBarnes]

When Marquette wins a National Championship, scoop will be disappointed that the trendline can't go higher.

(Unless you believe the Marquette Roster will be brought for Space Jam 3 to win against the Monstars for universal dominance)

[Billy Hoyle]

Follow me here.

Marquette is going into next year with sky high expectations.  Mike Krzyzewski will be 73 years old at the end of next season.  He can't possibly coach forever.  If Wojo has another successful year, he will be crowned the heir apparent in Durham.

Do you trade success next year for a darker future (likely)?

First, what makes you think it's Wojo at Duke?  Johnny Dawkins has been pretty successful, moreso than Wojo, and K saw first hand how well Dawkins can coach.

Second, why would the future be "darker?"

[lohaus]

I would absolutely trade it for a Final Four run and a legit shot at a Natty.  Every time I see these threads I think 'damn, it has come to this where 1 or 2 wins in the tourney is the bar?'  Hey, I didn't mind Buzz because at least we were relevant in the tourney.  I didn't mind Crean either with the run to the Final Four.

Heck, I would even let the program get dirty for a legit run!  I would be more then happy for a program with dirt in exchange for a Natty.

As far as Wojo to Duke, I would want someone like Tony Bennett at Duke before Wojo.  I think in the now I would be happy with a Sweet 16.  Heck, I would be happy with one win and not having a second game as a blow out and embarrassment.

[Avenue Commons]

Is Jon Scheyer aware that Wojo is the predetermined heir apparent?

[Hards Alumni]

First, what makes you think it's Wojo at Duke?  Johnny Dawkins has been pretty successful, moreso than Wojo, and K saw first hand how well Dawkins can coach.

Second, why would the future be "darker?"

Johnny Dawkins has never won the PAC-12 or the AAC.

He has been to the NCAA tourney twice in a decade.

Are you sure this is an argument you want to make?