Palm has us in as of now

[jesmu84]

Totally agree with this. The lack of signature win is what I think would keep us out.

If a lack of signature win is the barrier to us being in the tourney, especially if we went 10-8 and finished 3rd in the conference, then there are going to be a lot of undeserving teams in the tournament this year

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

What computers love use?

Does the committee use KenPom yet?  If they are using that data, it probably spells trouble for MU.  We are ranked 53rd on KenPom which is lower than most of the bubble teams we're going up against like St Marys, Notre Dame, Baylor, Texas, USC, Arizona St, Oklahoma, Louisvile, Bama, MTSU..

Then there are teams who aren't really discussed as on the bubble ranked higher too- Penn St (who's 29th!), Davidson, Maryland, San Diego St.  Based on KenPom rankings, I don't see computer numbers helping.

Kenpom is on the team sheets, along with several other metrics.

[muguru]

LOL, yeah I didn't say that well.

A computer program written to select the teams in the NCAA tournament will have biases toward certain inputs based on the creator of the program.

Let the Coaches decide what metrics should be used...that way there is ZERO debate about what a team will need to do during the season.

[muguru]

If a lack of signature win is the barrier to us being in the tourney, especially if we went 10-8 and finished 3rd in the conference, then there are going to be a lot of undeserving teams in the tournament this year

Exactly this...if you look at good wins amongst the bubble teams, MU's are better then everyone else's because they were road wins, so no signature wins for MU is correct, but compared to others(who also have no signature wins), MU's wins are overall, better. I found a nice chart that demonstrates this, but I don't know how to post a picture here to show it for everyone to see.

[GGGG]

Let the Coaches decide what metrics should be used...that way there is ZERO debate about what a team will need to do during the season.

But coaches are going to have biases too.  Mid-major coaches will have different ideas than coaches from the BE and the ACC.

I don't think the current system is broken anyway.  The only real debate is over the last few at-large teams, and all of them could have done more throughout the season.  If Marquette misses out for instance, it has no one but itself to blame.

[cheebs09]

If a lack of signature win is the barrier to us being in the tourney, especially if we went 10-8 and finished 3rd in the conference, then there are going to be a lot of undeserving teams in the tournament this year

Definitely. I think MU should be in. I'm biased, but think our resume stacks up well. I think MU could be that team that most miss on, but the committee chair highlights the criteria he's already talked about.

I think it would be a no doubter if we knocked off Xavier or Villanova once. Even if we took a loss at Georgetown instead.

[mu_hilltopper]

IIRC,  10-8 was the stone cold lock. 9-9 was should be in

That being said .. I think Brew said 9-9 was in .. and I asked him:  If the 9 wins are against the bottom half of the BE, are we in?  Answer: Yes.

You'd think 5 wins against the top half would be a huge plus.

[jesmu84]

Exactly this...if you look at good wins amongst the bubble teams, MU's are better then everyone else's because they were road wins, so no signature wins for MU is correct, but compared to others(who also have no signature wins), MU's wins are overall, better. I found a nice chart that demonstrates this, but I don't know how to post a picture here to show it for everyone to see.

Link to the website?

[muguru]

Link to the website?

It's on the Syracuse board, via one of their posters, I will see if I can find it again

[brewcity77]

That being said .. I think Brew said 9-9 was in .. and I asked him:  If the 9 wins are against the bottom half of the BE, are we in?  Answer: Yes.

You'd think 5 wins against the top half would be a huge plus.

Any other year it would've been. This year we had the late surge we needed, but other teams on the bubble kept winning too. I still think we have a chance, but there's so many teams crammed on a bubble with less certain criteria, I'm far less optimistic than I was.

[Danny Noonan]

Palm just said that MU was the last team in unless Davidson steals their bid.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Palm just said that MU was the last team in unless Davidson steals their bid.

GD.  "McKillop's Revenge"

[mu_hilltopper]

Palm just said that MU was the last team in unless Davidson steals their bid.

Yep .. was watching an update .. Palm now has us first team out.

[muguru]

Someone that everyone assumes is in, will be out, and someone most didn't think would get in, will...it happens every year.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Hurley Brother knock-out?  Let's hope...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/might-danny-hurleys-loss-knocked-brother-bobby-ncaa-tournament-194109532.html

[Fred Garvin]

I think St Mary's or St Bonneventure  will be out

[Daniel]

Yep .. was watching an update .. Palm now has us first team out.

Davidson just won by one point. Ugh

[Class71]

Palm now says Marquette is out since Rhode Island lost.