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Daniel

I think Wojo sticks with Matt for tip off.  Did not know how long he will be in but a Wojo will be loyal to Matt I think.  Matt has had some good games.   Elliott or Cain for Sacar is a good switch.   I think Howard, Elliott, Hauser, Frohling and Theo is interesting, and we have seen it.   

Regardless, if we cannot figure out the pick and roll and how to hedge and recover, then it does not matter.   If teams do a lot of posters ng up, we are ok.  Pick and rolls etc. trouble.  And our BEast opponents are very in tune with this.

Floorslapper

Interesting to ponder.  What Wojo needs is for one of Theo, Matt, Froling to CLEARLY distinguish themselves.  Heldt does some really good things on the floor that don't show up in the box score.  Team is most successful when Matt is on his A-game.  Froling really struggling yet does have some skills.  Theo shows a lot of promise as well too.  Tough call here but for now gotta go:  Heldt, John, Froling.

Love Cain as a prospect, yet don't think he's more worthy of minutes than Sacar.  Think Wojo is coaching that role well, going with who is performing better in each game.  However, feel Wojo "missed" against Butler.  Martin was killing us and Sacar is our best/most physical perimeter defender.  Should have played him more once Martin clearly had it going and Butler was getting him iso'd onto 165lbs Greg Elliott.

Fun team regardless and tantalizing possibilities. 

skianth16

Quote from: The Lens on January 15, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Rowsey has already been pulled from the starting line-up and it wouldn't surprise me if we see him end the year as a super sub.  I'd start Elliott to create that defensive tone from the tip.

I'd say there's about as much chance of Rowsey becoming the 6th man as there is Cam becoming a starter. Rowsey has his issues, but we're better with him on the floor. There's no way this happens.

jsglow

Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
I'd say there's about as much chance of Rowsey becoming the 6th man as there is Cam becoming a starter. Rowsey has his issues, but we're better with him on the floor. There's no way this happens.

Agreed.  Minutes may move some but I really don't see starting lineup changes.

GGGG

Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 10:22:51 AM
I'd say there's about as much chance of Rowsey becoming the 6th man as there is Cam becoming a starter. Rowsey has his issues, but we're better with him on the floor. There's no way this happens.


But it already has happened this year. 

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Quote from: The Lens on January 15, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Rowsey has already been pulled from the starting line-up and it wouldn't surprise me if we see him end the year as a super sub.  I'd start Elliott to create that defensive tone from the tip.

I disagree.  We need Rowsey for playmaking for others.  Neither Elliot or Howard is good enough there yet, although Elliott looks like he can get there.
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Quote from: #bansultan on January 15, 2018, 10:26:24 AM

But it already has happened this year.

And Andrew learned his lesson, he has to play like a point guard or he'll sit.
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Quote from: jesmu84 on January 15, 2018, 09:01:03 AM
Maybe not a starting lineup change...

But I think I'd like to see a little more small ball in the rotation. Put Cain or Hauser at the 5. With all the talk of the midgets forcing teams to take their big off the floor and play with our preference, we should give it a try with our small ball lineup.

Cain at center, yikes!  His hops and shot blocking are impressive, but he's too thin to defend the rim consistently against the big boys.  And setting up in the paint doesn't appear to be his offensive strength either.

Sam, on the other hand, has shown he can do it, although we might be exposing him to foul trouble if he gets extended time there.
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Quote from: 4everCrean on January 15, 2018, 10:44:06 AM
Cain at center, yikes!  His hops and shot blocking are impressive, but he's too thin to defend the rim consistently against the big boys.  And setting up in the paint doesn't appear to be his offensive strength either.

Sam, on the other hand, has shown he can do it, although we might be exposing him to foul trouble if he gets extended time there.

No advocating, but if Wojo was a jump ball freak you could put Cain at SF to start over Anim, still start Heldt,  and have Cain do the jump ball.

jesmu84

Quote from: 4everCrean on January 15, 2018, 10:44:06 AM
Cain at center, yikes!  His hops and shot blocking are impressive, but he's too thin to defend the rim consistently against the big boys.  And setting up in the paint doesn't appear to be his offensive strength either.

Sam, on the other hand, has shown he can do it, although we might be exposing him to foul trouble if he gets extended time there.

Correct. It's all about the matchups and offense vs defense. Can we go with Cain/Hauser at the 4/5 and force the other team to change their lineup? Can their 5 chase Hauser/Cain well enough if we go 5-out? Can Hauser/Cain defend adquately enough to make the other coach change his lineup?

I'd like to try it. Especially in situations where nothing else seems to be working well

Lighthouse 84

Quote from: #bansultan on January 15, 2018, 10:26:24 AM

But it already has happened this year.
And we saw how Rowsey reacted to coming off the bench.  I hate to say it, but I think when he didn't start and when he's in the doghouse, he has a little pout going on.  It's on Wojo to control that and my guess is that he controls it by not sitting Andy at the start.  Not saying he shouldn't, just saying that's how I think Wojo will make sure AR has his head in the game.
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Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 15, 2018, 11:40:19 AM
  And we saw how Rowsey reacted to coming off the bench.  I hate to say it, but I think when he didn't start and when he's in the doghouse, he has a little pout going on.  It's on Wojo to control that and my guess is that he controls it by not sitting Andy at the start.  Not saying he shouldn't, just saying that's how I think Wojo will make sure AR has his head in the game.

Yep.  And we get more good AR and less bad AR lately.

skianth16

Quote from: #bansultan on January 15, 2018, 10:26:24 AM

But it already has happened this year.

Roswey didn't start for one game as a punishment for poor behavior/effort in practices that week. That's much different than saying he might end up coming off the bench by the end of the year because Wojo has decided we need more PT for Greg.

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Quote from: Floorslapper on January 15, 2018, 10:15:43 AM
Interesting to ponder.  What Wojo needs is for one of Theo, Matt, Froling to CLEARLY distinguish themselves.  Heldt does some really good things on the floor that don't show up in the box score.  Team is most successful when Matt is on his A-game.  Froling really struggling yet does have some skills.  Theo shows a lot of promise as well too.  Tough call here but for now gotta go:  Heldt, John, Froling.

Love Cain as a prospect, yet don't think he's more worthy of minutes than Sacar.  Think Wojo is coaching that role well, going with who is performing better in each game.  However, feel Wojo "missed" against Butler.  Martin was killing us and Sacar is our best/most physical perimeter defender.  Should have played him more once Martin clearly had it going and Butler was getting him iso'd onto 165lbs Greg Elliott.

Fun team regardless and tantalizing possibilities.

Extremely reasonable and logical post.
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Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 11:43:46 AM
Roswey didn't start for one game as a punishment for poor behavior/effort in practices that week. That's much different than saying he might end up coming off the bench by the end of the year because Wojo has decided we need more PT for Greg.


Elliott started two games for Rowsey.

And "playing time" and "who starts" are two different things.

I'm not advocating for any changes, but I don't think we can write anything off.

tower912

Quote from: Floorslapper on January 15, 2018, 10:15:43 AM
  However, feel Wojo "missed" against Butler.  Martin was killing us and Sacar is our best/most physical perimeter defender.  Should have played him more once Martin clearly had it going and Butler was getting him iso'd onto 165lbs Greg Elliott.

Agreed.   Thought this was a definite mistake.    And a really nice job by Butler of finding it and exploiting it.   If not Sacar, than Cain, as he at least has length.   
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At this point Froling has done nothing to prove he deserves to start. He is playing awful right now and needs to stop chucking 3's.

wadesworld

Quote from: Norm on January 15, 2018, 03:02:24 PM
At this point Froling has done nothing to prove he deserves to start. He is playing awful right now and needs to stop chucking 3's.

He's averaging 1.5 three point attempts per game.  I'm not sure I'd call that "chucking 3's."

Norm

He's what 1-13 or something like that from 3? He should not take another one until he makes some 2's first.

skianth16

Quote from: wadesworld on January 15, 2018, 03:04:38 PM
He's averaging 1.5 three point attempts per game.  I'm not sure I'd call that "chucking 3's."

That would still be about 1.5 too many threes per game.

brewcity77

Quote from: skianth16 on January 15, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
That would still be about 1.5 too many threes per game.

Disagree wholeheartedly. By all accounts, he can make those shots. He's not going to gain the confidence needed by avoiding taking open shots. For better or worse, he needs reps if he's ever going to reach his potential and start playing how the staff believes he can.

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Quote from: brewcity77 on January 15, 2018, 03:50:35 PM
Disagree wholeheartedly. By all accounts, he can make those shots. He's not going to gain the confidence needed by avoiding taking open shots. For better or worse, he needs reps if he's ever going to reach his potential and start playing how the staff believes he can.
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Class71

Harry has the body and looks the part but regrettably until he starts delivering in a game I do not see him replacing Matt. Agree he has the potential but so far it has been a bit disappointing.
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I would keep the same starters but have Howard at the point and Rowsey at the 2.  This gets Howard involved sooner, driving, scoring, and dishing, also, Rowsey is better coming around screens and shooting.

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