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Re: The Five Tool Guys...
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2013, 09:37:31 AM »
To be fair to Robinson, he really should have made the Finals. That year the Bucks lost to Philly in the conference championship, they should have won game 6 and as I recall Big Dog didn't go to the line at all despite being constantly hacked. The refs swallowed their whistles because Iverson versus the Lakers was a better matchup for Stern's ratings. And I'm not a Bucks fan at all, but no way the 76ers were a better team.

Would have made for a better Finals, too. Pretty sure Philly got swept out by the Lake Show, the same LA team that Milwaukee swept in the regular season because LA just didn't have enough defensive answers to shut down the Big Three. Had Milwaukee won the title that year, and honestly they may well have been the best team in the league, it'd be interesting how that would change perceptions of Robinson as well as the success of the franchise.
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Re: The Five Tool Guys...
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2013, 11:10:36 PM »
Are you talking about the Tracy McGrady that was on the bench for the Spurs in this year's NBA Finals?  I don't know if he played even a minute, but he was on the active roster. 

Hey ... you're right. He did play in 6 playoff games, too. So I take it back. Tracy McGrady was an NBA Finalist! And such an impact player, too!

Hall of Fame, here he comes!!!
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2013, 11:14:27 PM »
I think that McGrady and Robinson fall into the same boat.  They had no or little supporting cast.  As Scorecasting points out, they didn't have the two other all-stars to go deep.  It was the Jordan and the Bulls before Pippen and Rodman.  The Lakers and Kobe by himself.  The Cavs and Lebron. 

Now, one could argue that these two were chuckers as a result, which is true to a degree...that they were the single reason their teams didn't advance as they never gave up the ball.  But, McGrady was simply well more statistically rounded than Robinson.  He did it all and was a total stat stuffer, so the chucker only argument is not so clear cut.

In Houston, McGrady's teammates included a perennial All-Star 7-footer in Yao Ming, still effective veterans in Juwan Howard and Jim Jackson and nice complementary players in Shane Battier and Rafer Alston. Certainly not championship material, but accidentally-stumble-into-one-playoff-series-win material? One would think.
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2013, 07:55:45 AM »
In Houston, McGrady's teammates included a perennial All-Star 7-footer in Yao Ming, still effective veterans in Juwan Howard and Jim Jackson and nice complementary players in Shane Battier and Rafer Alston. Certainly not championship material, but accidentally-stumble-into-one-playoff-series-win material? One would think.

2004 was the only healthy season they had together and then Yao's injuries occurred from 2005-10 where he missed significant action, including the playoffs. Jimmy Jackson? 12 teams in 14 years Jimmy Jackson?  He played one year in Houston.  Howard played three years in Houston starting at age 31, the first (2004-05), he missed the playoffs as well with a MCL.  
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2013, 09:44:39 PM »

2004 was the only healthy season they had together and then Yao's injuries occurred from 2005-10 where he missed significant action, including the playoffs. Jimmy Jackson? 12 teams in 14 years Jimmy Jackson?  He played one year in Houston.  Howard played three years in Houston starting at age 31, the first (2004-05), he missed the playoffs as well with a MCL.  

Fact: There are plenty of players in the Hall of Fame who weren't as good as Tracy McGrady. If he gets chosen, I'm not going to boycott basketball. I just don't consider Tracy McGrady to be Hall worthy, but I don't have a vote.
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