Former Yale BBall Player Suing Yale for wrongful Expulsion

[jesmu84]

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/former-yale-basketball-captain-jack-montague-plans-to-sue-yale-for-being-expelled-for-sexual-assault-despite-lack-of-evidence/

[Benny B]

There's more to the story... There's got to be.  If those four "facts" are indeed facts, and that's all there is, Yale is going to be paying a big time settlement.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Right near the Duke anniversary....hope he prevails (if he is innocent).

[keefe]

I hope Yale gets its tits hammered for this

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I was going to post a month ago.  He was absent without explanation and then 2 weeks later the team was notified he had been dismissed from school.  No one knew the reason why until he filed the lawsuit this past weekend.  In protest, for one game, the players wore gray t-shirts that read "ELAY" and all had his nickname on the back, "GUCCI".

Supposedly, it has brought the players really close together and they are determined to make a statement in the NCAA.  Yale has a player who set an NCAA record this year by making like 32 straight shots from the field.
 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I was going to post a month ago.  He was absent without explanation and then 2 weeks later the team was notified he had been dismissed from school.  No one knew the reason why until he filed the lawsuit this past weekend.  In protest, for one game, the players wore gray t-shirts that read "ELAY" and all had his nickname on the back, "GUCCI".

Supposedly, it has brought the players really close together and they are determined to make a statement in the NCAA.  Yale has a player who set an NCAA record this year by making like 32 straight shots from the field.
 

I had heard a reporter on the local NPR report why he was dismissed a little earlier -- sounded like she spoke to his father.  Really too bad that this entire incident is happening during Yale's only run to the NCAA in modern bball.  I will be pulling for the upset Thur in Providence.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Someone needs to get these Title IX Committees under control; the way they are operated now I'd argue they are unconstitutional.

[MerrittsMustache]

There's more to the story... There's got to be.  If those four "facts" are indeed facts, and that's all there is, Yale is going to be paying a big time settlement.

That's what I keep thinking. There's no way that's the entire story. I can't imagine any university, let alone an Ivy, expelling a student based off of those presented facts. There's got to be some much more damning evidence out there, right?

[GGGG]

That's what I keep thinking. There's no way that's the entire story. I can't imagine any university, let alone an Ivy, expelling a student based off of those presented facts. There's got to be some much more damning evidence out there, right?

1. Remember that the schools can't talk. 

2. Remember that the alleged victim doesn't usually want to talk.

3. Remember that schools are being asked to do things they never intended to do, and most schools will readily admit that they struggle with this issue.

[Benny B]

1. Remember that the schools can't talk. 

2. Remember that the alleged victim doesn't usually want to talk.

3. Remember that schools are being asked to do things they never intended to do, and most schools will readily admit that they struggle with this issue.

Yes.  Let's remember the Duke LAX case, shall we.

Or were you not referring to that?

[GGGG]

The Duke case is the Duke case.  The Yale case is the Yale case. 

I know nothing about the Yale case other than what was said by the player.

[StillAWarrior]

That's what I keep thinking. There's no way that's the entire story. I can't imagine any university, let alone an Ivy, expelling a student based off of those presented facts. There's got to be some much more damning evidence out there, right?

One of the young attorneys in our office moved here from DC about a year ago.  In her prior position, she worked for a firm that handles a lot of these cases on behalf of kids that get expelled under similar circumstances.  Her take on the matter:  no, you're probably hearing the whole story.  She said that this is fairly typical of many such cases in general, and very similar to another Yale case she was familiar with (but didn't work on).

She said that the entire thing is completely out of control at a lot of schools.  She said that after working on so many of these cases, they concluded that really what a kid in college needs is an app on his phone that combines a breathalizer and a consent form (with captured video of the signing).  And she wasn't kidding.  Although she commented that even that would not satisfy a lot of these schools because it wouldn't address revoked consent.

One of the more interesting things she mentioned related to the fact that intoxication can negate consent in many of these schools.  She noted that in many cases if both parties are intoxicated, the male still gets charged with rape and expelled.

She recalled one case where a woman awoke in the morning with no recollection of being raped.  Never even alleged to have any recollection.  The boy she had been with denied that they even had sex.  But she "felt" like she had been raped.  A feeling that was not corroborated by any evidence whatsoever including rape kit and physical exam.  The boy she was with was expelled.  Fortunately, that one had a happy ending and he was reinstated pretty quickly once his attorneys got involved.

[keefe]

One of the young attorneys in our office moved here from DC about a year ago.  In her prior position, she worked for a firm that handles a lot of these cases on behalf of kids that get expelled under similar circumstances.  Her take on the matter:  no, you're probably hearing the whole story.  She said that this is fairly typical of many such cases in general, and very similar to another Yale case she was familiar with (but didn't work on).

She said that the entire thing is completely out of control at a lot of schools.  She said that after working on so many of these cases, they concluded that really what a kid in college needs is an app on his phone that combines a breathalizer and a consent form (with captured video of the signing).  And she wasn't kidding.  Although she commented that even that would not satisfy a lot of these schools because it wouldn't address revoked consent.

One of the more interesting things she mentioned related to the fact that intoxication can negate consent in many of these schools.  She noted that in many cases if both parties are intoxicated, the male still gets charged with rape and expelled.

She recalled one case where a woman awoke in the morning with no recollection of being raped.  Never even alleged to have any recollection.  The boy she had been with denied that they even had sex.  But she "felt" like she had been raped.  A feeling that was not corroborated by any evidence whatsoever including rape kit and physical exam.  The boy she was with was expelled.  Fortunately, that one had a happy ending and he was reinstated pretty quickly once his attorneys got involved.

This is crazy. The intolerance demonstrated in these cases is outrageous.

I hope the Yale kid sues the university, the idiots involved in his expulsion, and the girl. There need to be penalties for capricious decisions that damage lives. 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

This is crazy. The intolerance demonstrated in these cases is outrageous.

I hope the Yale kid sues the university, the idiots involved in his expulsion, and the girl. There need to be penalties for capricious decisions that damage lives.

Keefe, he is suing.  No one knew the cause of the expulsion until he filed the lawsuit.

[jficke13]

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She said that the entire thing is completely out of control at a lot of schools.  She said that after working on so many of these cases, they concluded that really what a kid in college needs is an app on his phone that combines a breathalizer and a consent form (with captured video of the signing).  And she wasn't kidding.  [...]

Makes me think of the Chappele Show thing:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jwmvxd/chappelle-s-show-love-contract

[Skitch]

Makes me think of the Chappele Show thing:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jwmvxd/chappelle-s-show-love-contract

Wasn't there a story on Deadspin or a similar site about someone really doing something like this? Might have been Jeter or Alex Rodriguez.

[HouWarrior]

The Yale Player can amend his suit, after the Baylor win and seek his lost share of the NCAA tourney money...

Oh yeah I forgot...he has no right to a penny of that....Oh well, Yale can use the tourney $$ to defend the suit, or settle. Tourney money always helps...Wojo. lol

[MerrittsMustache]

Wasn't there a story on Deadspin or a similar site about someone really doing something like this? Might have been Jeter or Alex Rodriguez.

I believe JJ Reddick had an "abortion contract" with his girlfriend...IIRC it was while he was married.

[keefe]

Keefe, he is suing.  No one knew the cause of the expulsion until he filed the lawsuit.

I hope he wins. I hate what is playing out on America's campuses.

[ChicosBailBonds]

One of the young attorneys in our office moved here from DC about a year ago.  In her prior position, she worked for a firm that handles a lot of these cases on behalf of kids that get expelled under similar circumstances.  Her take on the matter:  no, you're probably hearing the whole story.  She said that this is fairly typical of many such cases in general, and very similar to another Yale case she was familiar with (but didn't work on).

She said that the entire thing is completely out of control at a lot of schools.  She said that after working on so many of these cases, they concluded that really what a kid in college needs is an app on his phone that combines a breathalizer and a consent form (with captured video of the signing).  And she wasn't kidding.  Although she commented that even that would not satisfy a lot of these schools because it wouldn't address revoked consent.

One of the more interesting things she mentioned related to the fact that intoxication can negate consent in many of these schools.  She noted that in many cases if both parties are intoxicated, the male still gets charged with rape and expelled.

She recalled one case where a woman awoke in the morning with no recollection of being raped.  Never even alleged to have any recollection.  The boy she had been with denied that they even had sex.  But she "felt" like she had been raped.  A feeling that was not corroborated by any evidence whatsoever including rape kit and physical exam.  The boy she was with was expelled.  Fortunately, that one had a happy ending and he was reinstated pretty quickly once his attorneys got involved.

About a year ago I spoke to someone about creating a consent app.  Thought it would be ideal for college students, athletes, etc.  The legal aspects of it killed my idea....basically the attorneys said that we could get sued for a whole host of things, including revoking of consent, or if the app failed, etc, etc.   I even went so far as to say, what if there was consent before, and than post consent on the app?   It was an interesting concept path that I had come up with after dealing with many athletes over the years.  Many of them scared to death to get involved in real relationships, etc, because so many nutcases out there ready to take them to the cleaners.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The Yale Player can amend his suit, after the Baylor win and seek his lost share of the NCAA tourney money...

Oh yeah I forgot...he has no right to a penny of that....Oh well, Yale can use the tourney $$ to defend the suit, or settle. Tourney money always helps...Wojo. lol

More importantly, he should sue for the ability to not enjoy the emotions, happiness, etc that the win brought to that team and to the players....the locker room celebration alone would help the jury. 

As for the money, sure, pay them each a share, but only after the players pay back the school for the training, the food, the uniforms, the tutoring etc....