Buzz Compensation for FY 13

[DienerTime34]

Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.

Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).

Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).

So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.

How would you measure his batting average with JUCOs and NCAA tournament success?

[muwarrior69]

So when will we know Wojo's compensation?

[Lennys Tap]

Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.

Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).

Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).

So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.

Mayo wasn't a top 100 player - I'd say his on court play at least met expectations. Burton was 1st team All Big East as a freshman, so ditto for him. Derrick came in with very little fanfare. Like him or hate him he at least met expectations. There really were no expectations for Mbao or Dawson so I wouldn't even count them. So 7/15 (46.7)% by my count. Not great, but only Blue, Junior, Maymon, JJJ, Duane and Burton were top 60 guys and after that it's a crapshoot.

[GGGG]

How would you measure his batting average with JUCOs and NCAA tournament success?

Very good.  I believe he signed eight Jucos, seven of whom made it to campus (not Clark), five of whom made it to the basketball court (not McKay or TJT).  Fulce, DJO, Butler, Buycks and Jae.

Four of the five eventually graduated - I think.  Fulce didn't meet expectations due to injury.  Buycks met expectations.  Jae, DJO and Butler well exceeded expectations.

The problem is that you still had three recruiting misses.  Clark ended up being not much of a miss, but both TJT and McKay took scholarships that could have gone to other players.  That was the root cause of our problems over the past two years.

[keefe]

Any ideas why Pilarz was paid by MU then?  A separation settlement?

It could be royalties for his collected works of poetry

[brewcity77]

How would you measure his batting average with JUCOs and NCAA tournament success?

Much, much, much better. Buycks, DJO, and Crowder all played their full eligibility and went to the NBA. If you include Fulce and Butler (recruited by Buzz under Crean) that adds two more that played full eligiblity and one more in the NBA. McKay didn't end up playing here, but so far has shown he can play at a HM level and will at least have a shot at the NBA. When all is said and done, a JUCO track frecord of 4/6 in the NBA, 1 transfer, and 1 disappointment (which was down to injuries more than anything) is at worst stunningly spectacular.

The problem was that Buzz was restricted from being able to recruit JUCOs after 2012. The only reason we landed McKay is because Marquette's staff was working with him for the bulk of his two years at Indian Hills to make sure he would be eligible after all the issues with Crowder. Buzz's tourney success was also largely on their shoulders. He did have the Elite 8 run without any JUCOs, but that team also featured three of his four best HS recruits (Blue, Cadougan, Gardner) and his two best transfers (Jamil Wilson, Trent Lockett).

When Buzz lost the ability to bring in JUCOs, you could see his success start to wane. They carried him to success in 2011 and 2012. The 2014 team had no JUCOs and only two of his success stories (Gardner, Jamil) while mostly being anchored by the guys who ultimately didn't work out. Without the ability to recruit JUCOs and with Buzz's spotty record recruiting high school kids, he would have had to massively improve his HS recruiting success in an arena he had previously struggled in to maintain results here. The past two years weren't a ringing endorsement he would do that.

At Va Tech, he will be able to take any players he wants. The writing was on the wall here (as Sultan accurately points out) that his welcome, while maybe not completely worn out, was certainly wearing thin, and he had the option to leave somewhere that wasn't giving him the freedom to do what he wanted for a place that would let him do whatever he wanted while giving him a better long-term contractual guarantee. I still have a feeling there's an extra $500K-1M going to a Team Buzz fund from Va Tech that would further balance out the monetary differences, but it makes sense.

[Nukem2]

Much, much, much better. Buycks, DJO, and Crowder all played their full eligibility and went to the NBA. If you include Fulce and Butler (recruited by Buzz under Crean) that adds two more that played full eligiblity and one more in the NBA. McKay didn't end up playing here, but so far has shown he can play at a HM level and will at least have a shot at the NBA. When all is said and done, a JUCO track frecord of 4/6 in the NBA, 1 transfer, and 1 disappointment (which was down to injuries more than anything) is at worst stunningly spectacular.

Buzz recruited Butler on his own after Crean left.

[Dr. Blackheart]

So when will we know Wojo's compensation?

Next May

[brewcity77]

Buzz recruited Butler on his own after Crean left.

That's right...Fulce had already committed as I recall. I always consider 2009 to be Buzz's first real recruiting class, since he had guys like Fulce and Otule in the fold for Crean, even if he ultimately was the only one to coach them here.

[bilsu]

Fulce came because of Buzz. He already had a relationship with him. Before his injury he was considered to be a better player than Butler. Buzz also got a commitment form the 6'11" juco forward/center that went to jail for rape and never attended MU, so that was a miss on his part.

[Dawson Rental]

Fulce came because of Buzz. He already had a relationship with him. Before his injury he was considered to be a better player than Butler. Buzz also got a commitment form the 6'11" juco forward/center that went to jail for rape and never attended MU, so that was a miss on his part.

"the 6'11" juco forward/center that went to jail for rape..."

That would be Monterale Clark mentioned by Sultan.

[muwarrior69]

Yup. If this past year showed anything, it's that Buzz missed a ton on high school recruits.

Of his 17 high school recruits as a head coach, 10 left Marquette without finishing their careers (Jeronne Maymon, Erik Williams, Yous Mbao, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Todd Mayo, Steve Taylor, Jamal Ferguson, Deonte Burton, John Dawson) and to date only one of those that left was truly productive at a high major level (Maymon).

Of the 7 that stayed (Junior Cadougan, Vander Blue, Davante Gardner, Juan Anderson, Derrick Wilson, Jajuan Johnson, Duane Wilson), it looks like thus far one exceeded expectations (Gardner), three met expectations (Cadougan, Blue, Duane), and three fell short (Juan, Derrick, Jajuan).

So in total, Buzz had 4/17 high school recruits that either met or exceeded expectations. Suffice to say, that's not good. But instead of being happy that he's gone, they lament his tenure and throw the slurper term around. If I'm a "slurper" for pointing out his 23.5% success rate with high school recruits, oh well.

Well, this is all water under the bridge. Buzz still recruited Duane and JJJ so the record on them is still open. He also brought in Luke on a transfer, our first true big with basketball skills.

[mu03eng]

Well, this is all water under the bridge. Buzz still recruited Duane and JJJ so the record on them is still open. He also brought in Luke on a transfer, our first true big with basketball skills.

We have to define what Buzz gets credit for and what Wojo gets credit for.  If Buzz gets Duane and JJJ then he doesn't get JFB, Wesley, Zar, etc.  It's an important distinction because I think one of the big issues Buzz had is what we in the business world as refer to as "blocking and tackling". 

Basically he wasn't good at establishing the fundamentals for players starting their college career.  Juco's essentially get that as part of their development as Juco's so Buzz didn't have to worry about it.

If Duane or JjJ are successful, there were talented no doubt and Buzz should get credit for identifying talent, but Wojo should get the credit for developing the players(especially in JjJ's case).

[Dawson Rental]

We have to define what Buzz gets credit for and what Wojo gets credit for.  If Buzz gets Duane and JJJ then he doesn't get JFB, Wesley, Zar, etc.  It's an important distinction because I think one of the big issues Buzz had is what we in the business world as refer to as "blocking and tackling".  

Basically he wasn't good at establishing the fundamentals for players starting their college career.  Juco's essentially get that as part of their development as Juco's so Buzz didn't have to worry about it.

If Duane or JjJ are successful, there were talented no doubt and Buzz should get credit for identifying talent, but Wojo should get the credit for developing the players(especially in JjJ's case).

You should qualify your statement so people know that as a part of basketball development, players shouldn't literally be taught to tackle, just in case some newbie like say, Tom Crean, is reading the board.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Hoya Saxa!

Jesuit salary cap hit?

[Jay Bee]

....have to remember the 990 reporting requirements... MU files with a fiscal year ending June 30, but the IRS requires the Form 990 Schedule J schedules to use W-2 data (e.g., calendar year). So, the recently released 990 would include bonus amounts for performance during Buzz's SECOND to last year (i.e., a good year). His earnings may have been approximately equal to, or less than, what his set up is at VT.

We do have all of Buzz's incentives at Virginia Tech in hand.. have for a long time.

A key for Buzz is outside compensation at VT.

"The massive pay cut" was never true.

[mr.MUskie]

For several months after Buzz left didn't Chicos repeatedly say that stories about Buzz's improprieties would surface, and that would make it clear why he was no longer welcome at MU? Did that ever happen? He made it sound like there was some serious sh!t going on, and I for one would like to hear the real story.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Well, we got that toilet flush story, no?

[Lennys Tap]

For several months after Buzz left didn't Chicos repeatedly say that stories about Buzz's improprieties would surface, and that would make it clear why he was no longer welcome at MU? Did that ever happen? He made it sound like there was some serious sh!t going on, and I for one would like to hear the real story.

Just Chico being Chico. One of the ways he protects his boy's (TC) legacy is by ripping every other coach MU has had not named McGuire. As with most of his "look at me, I know stuff" rants there is no "there" there. Just a bragging kid looking for attention.

[GGGG]

For several months after Buzz left didn't Chicos repeatedly say that stories about Buzz's improprieties would surface, and that would make it clear why he was no longer welcome at MU? Did that ever happen? He made it sound like there was some serious sh!t going on, and I for one would like to hear the real story.

He wasn't a likeable guy in the department and stood up for his players a little too much.  Pretty much run of the mill stuff at many programs.  Nothing more untoward than that.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

He wasn't a likeable guy in the department and stood up for his players a little too much.  Pretty much run of the mill stuff at many programs.  Nothing more untoward than that.

That's not what Chicos said would "come out." As someone who claims to be in the know, I'd expect some kind of post addressing this.

[keefe]

Jesuit salary cap hit?

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