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MU82

The NCAA tournament IS a crapshoot.

And the team that wins it IS the best team.

There. Bases covered.
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CTWarrior

In ANY sport that features a season ending tournament or playoffs, the purpose of the tournament is NOT to unequivocally determine the best team.  It is to determine a champion.  Singling out the NCAA tournament in this regard is pointless and silly.
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brewcity77

Quote from: CTWarrior on March 17, 2015, 08:35:12 AM
In ANY sport that features a season ending tournament or playoffs, the purpose of the tournament is NOT to unequivocally determine the best team.  It is to determine a champion.  Singling out the NCAA tournament in this regard is pointless and silly.

Excellent point, and exactly why I don't get the point of the thread. Unless you want all American sports to go to an EPL style format where the champion is based on regular season results only...

MU82

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2015, 08:40:59 AM
Excellent point, and exactly why I don't get the point of the thread. Unless you want all American sports to go to an EPL style format where the champion is based on regular season results only...

The point of the thread is obvious. "The tournament is a crapshoot" is Chico's favorite meme. And starting this thread every year (and/or hijacking other threads that have little or nothing to do with it) -- augmented by coaches/experts/pundits who agree with him -- is his way of telling us all how absolutely, wonderfully correct he is.
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GGGG

Chicos also doesn't understand why coaches use that phrase.  Because no coach who is trying to motivate an underdog is going to say "well the top seeds almost always win, but let's try anyway."

Johnny B

The Ncaa tourney is what pits banners in gyms and sets legacys, not beating praire am in the opener by 50.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: bilsu on March 16, 2015, 01:49:40 PM
Look at it this way. Kevin Ollie one title and who knows, if he will ever make the tournament again vs Few who makes the tournament every year. Who would you rather be?

Throw in the excitement of winning as a number 7 seed vs winning as 1 or 2 seed and you get bonus points.  Plus, you get labeled a genius for winning with a lower seed.
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 16, 2015, 05:32:35 PM
As a coach, ya gotta win in March. Ai na?

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You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

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Chicos is correct that the format of the NCAA tournament makes it the biggest statistical crapshoot of any sporting tournament, other than maybe some tennis tournaments...honestly not familiar with all the rules and regulations there.

Lenny is also correct that despite the format, the NCAA has crowned a higher percentage of top seeds champion than several other playoffs.

Chicos is right in theory.

Lenny is right in practice.

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ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 17, 2015, 11:41:38 PM
Chicos is correct that the format of the NCAA tournament makes it the biggest statistical crapshoot of any sporting tournament, other than maybe some tennis tournaments...honestly not familiar with all the rules and regulations there.

Lenny is also correct that despite the format, the NCAA has crowned a higher percentage of top seeds champion than several other playoffs.

Chicos is right in theory.

Lenny is right in practice.

Settled?

Actually Lenny is wrong.  He isn't calculating those that don't make is, as Dr. Bergen points out.  In other words, he is not stating a fully correct premise the way he is currently stating it.  Plus, he assumes the 1 seed in the pros are truly the best teams, when in actuality they have the best record which can come from weak schedules due to weak divisions. 

rocky_warrior

Chicos...have you ever heard the phrase "pissing into the wind"? 

tower912

He is familiar with the phrase 'peeing down the leg'.   Is that the same thing?
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ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2015, 11:24:25 PM
Chicos...have you ever heard the phrase "pissing into the wind"? 

Yup....not done yet Rock....just wait until I get around to publishing my interview with Dr. Bergen from DePaul....then I'll really be pissing into it.    Tower is right, I've seen us pee down our leg on multiple occasions...so glad Buzz coined that term so we can all use it.

Eldon

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2015, 11:24:25 PM
Chicos...have you ever heard the phrase "pissing into the wind"? 
That would be known as a pissshoot

GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2015, 12:51:09 AM
Yup....not done yet Rock....just wait until I get around to publishing my interview with Dr. Bergen from DePaul....then I'll really be pissing into it.    Tower is right, I've seen us pee down our leg on multiple occasions...so glad Buzz coined that term so we can all use it.


Buzz didn't coin the term.  It's been around for years.

MU82

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 20, 2015, 07:23:20 AM

Buzz didn't coin the term.  It's been around for years.

Yes, but Chicos did invent "crapshoot."
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2015, 12:51:09 AM
Yup....not done yet Rock....just wait until I get around to publishing my interview with Dr. Bergen from DePaul....then I'll really be pissing into it.    Tower is right, I've seen us pee down our leg on multiple occasions...so glad Buzz coined that term so we can all use it.

Your cheap shot (and a lie at that - you called the the players and coach you allegedly loved "choking dogs who peed Themselves" long before Buzz mentioned, let alone coined, the phrase) and promise to "publish" some wacky study reminded me of another wacky study you promised to publish several years ago. You were going to "prove" that the vast majority of posts about Buzz weren't negative. Five years later we're still waiting. LOL


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