Notre Dame responds to Indiana law the only way they know how

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.... by talking about Notre Dame! Nice use of your clout within the state to legitimately speak out against a ridiculously over-stepped law.

http://notredame.247sports.com/Bolt/Notre-Dame-Posts-Response-to-New-Indiana-Law-36543573

ND is a morally bankrupt institution with no mission beyond self-aggrandizing. They can go fvck themselves.

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I see what you are saying, and I don't think it was particularly well done cause it dragged on, but you are being too harsh.

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I see what you are saying, and I don't think it was particularly well done cause it dragged on, but you are being too harsh.

Please elaborate

[JWags85]

Please elaborate

I severely dislike ND and agree it was a bit heavy handed, but this was in support of the You Can Play initiative.  I don't know if you're familiar but its a foundation started by Patrick Burke (son of Toronto Maple Leafs GM) in memory of his brother who was the manager of the hockey team at Miami (OH) when I was there.  He died in a car accident shortly after I graduated.  The whole point of the foundation and campaign is to rid locker rooms and sports in general of a stigma of homosexuality.  Its gotten a lot of major support from the NHL and its players (unsurprisingly) and elsewhere.  Its a really positive message that needs to be shared.

So its not like ND made up a whole campaign, they just made their own endorsement of the mission shortly after that ridiculous law.  Go on YouTube and there are hundreds of "You Can Play" videos from athletes, teams, and programs.  This was a bit overwrought, but I didn't find it particularly offensive.  Id rather this than they say nothing, which would be easy to do behind university values or private status.

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I severely dislike ND and agree it was a bit heavy handed, but this was in support of the You Can Play initiative.  I don't know if you're familiar but its a foundation started by Patrick Burke (son of Toronto Maple Leafs GM) in memory of his brother who was the manager of the hockey team at Miami (OH) when I was there.  He died in a car accident shortly after I graduated.  The whole point of the foundation and campaign is to rid locker rooms and sports in general of a stigma of homosexuality.  Its gotten a lot of major support from the NHL and its players (unsurprisingly) and elsewhere.  Its a really positive message that needs to be shared.

So its not like ND made up a whole campaign, they just made their own endorsement of the mission shortly after that ridiculous law.  Go on YouTube and there are hundreds of "You Can Play" videos from athletes, teams, and programs.  This was a bit overwrought, but I didn't find it particularly offensive.  Id rather this than they say nothing, which would be easy to do behind university values or private status.

Got it - The website lists that video as a response to the Indiana law.... i guess thats how I got confused.

So in reality they aren't responding in any way to the Indiana Law

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I see what you are saying, and I don't think it was particularly well done cause it dragged on, but you are being too harsh.

Slurper!

[JWags85]

Got it - The website lists that video as a response to the Indiana law.... i guess thats how I got confused.

So in reality they aren't responding in any way to the Indiana Law

Yes and no.  Instead of directly responding to a specific law, which would likely catch them fire, they voiced their opposition through support for the greater cause.  Its like making a pro-unions video in response to legislation about collective bargaining without actually mentioning the bargaining.

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Yes and no.  Instead of directly responding to a specific law, which would likely catch them fire, they voiced their opposition through support for the greater cause.  Its like making a pro-unions video in response to legislation about collective bargaining without actually mentioning the bargaining.

I thought you said this was unrelated to the Indiana and predated it? I feel like if you are presenting yourself as the preeminent catholic university in the world, you should be using that clout for meaningful social issues.

Being afraid of protecting your brand, etc. and not being willing to speak out in support of the disenfranchised is, in my opinion, the worst elements of catholicism. Use the image to profit, but be meek in acting on behalf of others.

Maybe I'm missing something but when is the last time any really progressive idea has been touted at ND?

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I thought you said this was unrelated to the Indiana and predated it? I feel like if you are presenting yourself as the preeminent catholic university in the world, you should be using that clout for meaningful social issues.

Being afraid of protecting your brand, etc. and not being willing to speak out in support of the disenfranchised is, in my opinion, the worst elements of catholicism. Use the image to profit, but be meek in acting on behalf of others.

Maybe I'm missing something but when is the last time any really progressive idea has been touted at ND?

I just looked up the release date on the video and its from May of 2014.  So the website presenting it was misleading.  The movement predates the law as does the video.  So in reality, ND has said nothing and this website is using previous ND produced material to infer that there is opposition.

Kind of a non-story other than that particular 24/7 site being dumb.  If this was released after the law, then it would be using that clout for meaningful issues.  It would still be supporting a group of people that Indiana blatantly disenfranchised, regardless of if their message was not pointed enough for you.

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I just looked up the release date on the video and its from May of 2014.  So the website presenting it was misleading.  The movement predates the law as does the video.  So in reality, ND has said nothing and this website is using previous ND produced material to infer that there is opposition.

Kind of a non-story other than that particular 24/7 site being dumb.  If this was released after the law, then it would be using that clout for meaningful issues.  It would still be supporting a group of people that Indiana blatantly disenfranchised, regardless of if their message was not pointed enough for you.

Agreed that I misinterpreted this.

I will state that I would hope a moral authority would take actual action. This just says that they don't discriminate gay athletes. That's not super impressive. That's like me making a celebratory video about how I haven't blocked employment for women because of their gender.... then continue to present myself as a true leader of catholic dogma in the 21st century.

[jesmu84]

Because ND or the Catholic church have been so open-minded throughout history?

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Because ND or the Catholic church have been so open-minded throughout history?

So I take it you agree with me

[jesmu84]

So I take it you agree with me

I'm just saying that if they haven't ever acted in that manner before, why do you expect them to start now? And, seeing as how history tends to repeat itself, why are get all worked up over this incident of ND/Catholicism not doing "enough"?

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I'm just saying that if they haven't ever acted in that manner before, why do you expect them to start now? And, seeing as how history tends to repeat itself, why are get all worked up over this incident of ND/Catholicism not doing "enough"?

I don't agree with your premise that catholicism has never championed the rights of disenfranchised. I get that this isn't a catholic board and others might not care that much, but my problem is when a group of people wears the badge of the church to reap the benefits of its brand, but shun the majority of the difficult work of driving for social change, despite its wealth and influence.

Others might not agree, but I genuinely feel ND is among the worst things to be associated with catholicism.

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I'm just saying that if they haven't ever acted in that manner before, why do you expect them to start now? And, seeing as how history tends to repeat itself, why are get all worked up over this incident of ND/Catholicism not doing "enough"?

Sorry this might speak to you a bit more... Just pretend "Republicans" are "Notre Dame" here. I'm sure you'll get it.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ipoxgq/faith-off

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Agreed that I misinterpreted this.

I will state that I would hope a moral authority would take actual action. This just says that they don't discriminate gay athletes. That's not super impressive. That's like me making a celebratory video about how I haven't blocked employment for women because of their gender.... then continue to present myself as a true leader of catholic dogma in the 21st century.

The point isn't that Notre Dame would discriminate against gay athletes, but that gay athletes will be welcomed by their peers in the locker rooms.  That is why they have a bunch of student athletes in the video.  The legal issue is one thing, but the welcoming aspect is another one altogether.

Remember Michael Sam only came out to his teammates about two years ago, and to the public just over a year ago.  He was labelled by Tony Dungy as a potential distraction about a year ago.  It seems longer than this because it was handled by everyone so well, but Notre Dame made this video just after that.

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The point isn't that Notre Dame would discriminate against gay athletes, but that gay athletes will be welcomed by their peers in the locker rooms.  That is why they have a bunch of student athletes in the video.  The legal issue is one thing, but the welcoming aspect is another one altogether.

Remember Michael Sam only came out to his teammates about two years ago, and to the public just over a year ago.  He was labelled by Tony Dungy as a potential distraction about a year ago.  It seems longer than this because it was handled by everyone so well, but Notre Dame made this video just after that.

Ok. I think we settled on this. This has nothing to do with the Indiana law, and I misinterpreted that it was.

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Ok. I think we settled on this. This has nothing to do with the Indiana law, and I misinterpreted that it was.

Yes but that's because the article you posted was misleading.  (Not your fault obviously.)

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Yes but that's because the article you posted was misleading.  (Not your fault obviously.)

Right.

[jesmu84]

I don't agree with your premise that catholicism has never championed the rights of disenfranchised. I get that this isn't a catholic board and others might not care that much, but my problem is when a group of people wears the badge of the church to reap the benefits of its brand, but shun the majority of the difficult work of driving for social change, despite its wealth and influence.

Others might not agree, but I genuinely feel ND is among the worst things to be associated with catholicism.

No disagreement here