OT: Buzz's Thoughts on P5 Separation

[mikekinsellaMVP]

Quick caveat: while her story needed to be told, I'd rather it be done by a real journalist, not a guy who makes Mike Hunt look like Edward R. Murrow.  Canzano is the worst.

[mattyv1908]

I think "irrational at best" is a bit overboard, he is walking into to two different situations at MU/VTech and there are plenty of coaches that have failed after moving on to a new role.  It also depends on what level of success you're talking about. More success than MU?

Doubt he'll have more success than he had at MU.  Aside from winning the big dance we've had about as much success as any top 20 program in the last 12 years.

But he probably will take VT to a NCAAT team fairly regularly.  Folks here act like he couldn't coach himself out of a paper bag simply because he left and that's just not true.  I'm not a huge fan of the guy I just think some on here give him absolutely zero credit when credit is deserved.

[buckchuckler]

It was actually the US Presidents. Wrote each one down in his little notebook.

There is a great animaniacs video for that, and another for state capitals.   

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[Pakuni]

Nomination for Scoop cherry pick of the year.

So .... calling gang rape a "bad choice" is totes OK if you say "oops" 16 years later?

[GGGG]

No, but showing contrition for how he handled it, and offering to use this an opportunity to help the victim and provide learning opportunities for his teams in the future does mitigate.  He also could have done the easy thing and avoid comment too.

[Galway Eagle]

No, but showing contrition for how he handled it, and offering to use this an opportunity to help the victim and provide learning opportunities for his teams in the future does mitigate.  He also could have done the easy thing and avoid comment too.

Making up for the past does help. Being smart and not a jacka$$ in the first place works a bit better

[Pakuni]

No, but showing contrition for how he handled it, and offering to use this an opportunity to help the victim and provide learning opportunities for his teams in the future does mitigate.  He also could have done the easy thing and avoid comment too.

Mitigate? OK, I'll buy that. He's not a full-on douche. Or at least less of one than he once was.
"The Nicest Guy in the World" though?

[buckchuckler]

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And there it is! 

[Benny B]

So .... calling gang rape a "bad choice" is totes OK if you say "oops" 16 years later?

Taking a 10 second sound bite that fits your narrative from a seven minute story that doesn't is the only "oops" I see here.

[willie warrior]

Virginia Tech had an athletic director that his friend, Mick Cronin, enjoyed working for.  He is getting paid plenty.  He still gets to play the underdog role that he likes.  I can see how this made complete sense in his mind.

Of course you do. He will always be your boy.

[MUDPT]

The internet even trolling Buzz...

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11973598/next-generation-top-coaches-college-basketball

Wojo mentioned as top candidate for next great coach with Richard Pitino and Danny Manning.

Buzz, both guys mentioned, he needs to go to a better school, can't do it at VPI.

Also, no mention of Crean.

[Pakuni]

The internet even trolling Buzz...

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11973598/next-generation-top-coaches-college-basketball

Wojo mentioned as top candidate for next great coach with Richard Pitino and Danny Manning.

Buzz, both guys mentioned, he needs to go to a better school, can't do it at VPI.

Also, no mention of Crean.

Not that he would make the list anyhow, but Crean has been a head coach now for 15 years. Hard to include a guy with that much experience in "the next generation."

[Dr. Blackheart]

Other coaches must be spreading the Buzzwhacked stories on the recruiting trail for him to keep spinning.  He is playing in front of UWM sized home crowds and MU was on ESPN national TV this past week more than Va Tech will be all season.  He is more than off the deep end.

[GGGG]

Of course you do. He will always be your boy.

Good lord.  Stop humping my leg.

Here is what I said in this very thread:  "I think history will show that this move may have benefited MU more than Buzz."

All I meant is that, knowing Buzz's weird way of thinking, I can see why he thought the move to VPI made sense.  I know that in your feeble little mind, and with your desire to get something over on me, that you think that I am saying that Buzz made a great career move.  But I'm not.  It's not what I am saying at all.

But alas...you swung and missed.  Yet again.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Other coaches must be spreading the Buzzwhacked stories on the recruiting trail for him to keep spinning.  He is playing in front of UWM sized home crowds and MU was on ESPN national TV this past week more than Va Tech will be all season.  He is more than off the deep end.

But, honestly, I think that's part of his deal. It's just part of his DNA. He's not happy unless he's going against the grain.

- He QUIT a head coaching job, without another job lined up. Almost unheard of in college hoops.

- He was working without an agent for most of his career (might still be, I don't know the particulars).

- He gets the MU job, and fills his roster with Junior College kids from nowhere near WI. Something never done at MU. He even signed some guys without seeing them play, or at least he claims that.

-Then, he WINS with this roster of relative misfits, and when the national media asks how he does it with Junior College kids, he goes on a rant about how nobody thinks they are any good.

- He tells ANYBODY who will listen how dumb he is, but we know that he's constantly trying to find the next big thing and get any edge he can get. (SportVU for example).

- The guys views himself as a rebel and a wildcard, and often, he thinks he's secretly the smartest guy in the room. "traditional thinking" need not apply when talking about Buzz.

- I will bet any amount, that in 3 or 4 years, when VaTech makes the tournament, he'll give an interview about how everybody ripped him for taking that job, and everybody thought he was crazy, etc.

With all of this said, it doesn't mean he's right about everything all of the time. We know about his recruiting misses. We know he owns a Zune. We know from our resident real estate expert that his home is poorly built and cheap.

I'm willing to bet he's a little premature with his P5 prediction.

[MU82]

- He tells ANYBODY who will listen how dumb he is, but we know that he's constantly trying to find the next big thing and get any edge he can get. (SportVU for example).

- The guys views himself as a rebel and a wildcard, and often, he thinks he's secretly the smartest guy in the room.

Over the years, I have found that when people talk about how dumb they are (or ugly or annoying or whatever), it is their way of fishing for a response like this: "Oh, you're not dumb at all. In fact, you're one of the smartest guys I know!"

And that usually is the response Buzz has gotten from the national media.

And then when he wins, he takes potshots at those who said he was dumb -- even though he was the one who said it. And the media falls for that, too.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Over the years, I have found that when people talk about how dumb they are (or ugly or annoying or whatever), it is their way of fishing for a response like this: "Oh, you're not dumb at all. In fact, you're one of the smartest guys I know!"

And that usually is the response Buzz has gotten from the national media.

And then when he wins, he takes potshots at those who said he was dumb -- even though he was the one who said it. And the media falls for that, too.

Correct.

I give the guy a lot of credit. I think he's a risk-taker, and he's willing to put himself out on a ledge.

But, I could live without the subtle jabs at people who may have questioned him....

But again, the guy's entire personality and coaching foundation is built on US vs THEM. He constantly looking for a THEM.

Interesting guy. I think he'll do well at VaTech in the underdog role. But, he also burns so hot, I wonder if this is a sustainable career for him. Might be over inside of 10 years.

[GGGG]

Correct.

I give the guy a lot of credit. I think he's a risk-taker, and he's willing to put himself out on a ledge.

But, I could live without the subtle jabs at people who may have questioned him....

But again, the guy's entire personality and coaching foundation is built on US vs THEM. He constantly looking for a THEM.

Interesting guy. I think he'll do well at VaTech in the underdog role. But, he also burns so hot, I wonder if this is a sustainable career for him. Might be over inside of 10 years.

I have no doubt that Buzz will not end his career at VPI and that his next move might be as bizarre as this one.

[hairy worthen]

Interesting guy. I think he'll do well at VaTech in the underdog role. But, he also burns so hot, I wonder if this is a sustainable career for him. Might be over inside of 10 years.

Not so sure Buzz will succeed.  He had the benefit of being an unknown when he started at MU.  Now more and more people are realizing his shtick.  That will be used against him in recruiting and more kids and parents will see him for what he is.  His coaching was average to bordering on whack.  I do think he was/is a good motivator, but his tactics will wear thin after a short period. I bet they wore thin on jjj, and stj last year.