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What about the luck that Buzz finally puts Mayo into the game and he goes off bringing Marquette back from 11 down with a three that rattles in, a crazy three from the corner, a gift 3pt foul and then makes all three shots and numerous Villanove FT misses and then...

the gift from the refs on the foul call...

MU had no business tying that game...

but I am sure Derrick Wilson could have done the same - wait for it, Mayo made more 3's in 2 minutes than Derrick has all season...



Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2014, 09:30:16 PM
I agree. Just like it's lazy to call a team lucky because shots go in at the end or your opponent has a turnover. Luck ebbs and flows over 40 minutes, just like calls. Luck in the last minute can't be the cause for victory if games aren't really decided then.

TJ

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
No one call robs anyone....it's in fans heads.  A blown charge call in the first half that wipes out 2 points is still negating the same 2 points.

I'm not trying to argue for complaining about refs because that's silly and useless, but this statement is 100% false.  Game changing events in the last minute or two of the game completely change the strategy of both teams from that point forward.  No one is changing their game plan because of 2 points in the first half, but the difference of being down 2 or down 4 with a minute to play changes each coach's strategy completely.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: TJ on January 28, 2014, 10:47:56 PM
I'm not trying to argue for complaining about refs because that's silly and useless, but this statement is 100% false.  Game changing events in the last minute or two of the game completely change the strategy of both teams from that point forward.  No one is changing their game plan because of 2 points in the first half, but the difference of being down 2 or down 4 with a minute to play changes each coach's strategy completely.

It may change their strategy, in fact I would offer it does, but the ramifications on the scoreboard have not changed.  A bad call in the first half that leads to two points is two points more than that team is supposed to have.  A bad call at the end of the game that leads to two points, is two points that team is not supposed to have either.  The difference that you are talking about is how the other team now responds because time is short, but the point tally directly related to each of those bad calls is still the same.  The panic, desperation, etc sets in at the end because of the time involved, but the point total impact remains the same.

TJ

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 28, 2014, 10:59:24 PM
It may change their strategy, in fact I would offer it does, but the ramifications on the scoreboard have not changed.  A bad call in the first half that leads to two points is two points more than that team is supposed to have.  A bad call at the end of the game that leads to two points, is two points that team is not supposed to have either.  The difference that you are talking about is how the other team now responds because time is short, but the point tally directly related to each of those bad calls is still the same.  The panic, desperation, etc sets in at the end because of the time involved, but the point total impact remains the same.
So basically you're agreeing that a bad call in the first half affects the outcome of the game in different ways than an equivalent bad call in the last minute of the game while still pretending not to?  No one arguing the mathematical accuracy 2=2; we're saying it's not as simple as you seem to want to say it is and that bad calls late can have a much different impact on the outcome of games than bad calls early.

Not to mention that if the bad call turns a tie game into a 2 point deficit and the team starts fouling... 2 points could indirectly become 4 or even more.

MU82

Quote from: TJ on January 28, 2014, 11:09:53 PM
So basically you're agreeing that a bad call in the first half affects the outcome of the game in different ways than an equivalent bad call in the last minute of the game while still pretending not to?  No one arguing the mathematical accuracy 2=2; we're saying it's not as simple as you seem to want to say it is and that bad calls late can have a much different impact on the outcome of games than bad calls early.

Not to mention that if the bad call turns a tie game into a 2 point deficit and the team starts fouling... 2 points could indirectly become 4 or even more.

Most things that happen late in a game have more ramifications than things that happen early in games. Missed FTs, missed dunks, blown calls, etc.

TJ is 100% right when he says that the strategy employed by both coaches changes considerably when something happens in the final minute.

It might or might not change the "ramifications on the scoreboard" but it radically changes the ramifications of the game, and therefore ends up changing the scoreboard in the end.

It's the same as a run being scored in the 9th inning of a tie baseball game is radically different than a run being scored in the 2nd inning of a tie game.

Chicos knows all of this, he even acknowledges it, but he likes to argue his pet points and he hates to back down even after kinda-sorta acknowledging something. It's why we love the big lug!
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MARQKC

Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2014, 09:29:18 AM
The offensive foul that wiped out Nova's game-winning bucket will go down as one of the worst calls this entire NCAA basketball season.

ESPN guy writes about the bad call in the MU-Nova game, including interview with the NCAA coordinator of officials:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10356783/block-charge-call-villanova-wilcats-marquette-golden-eagles-game-new-officials

Oh, wait: The NCAA pays somebody to be something called "coordinator of officials?" Insert your own wisecrack here . . . .


MUfan12

Quote from: MARQKC on January 29, 2014, 11:00:26 AM
Oh, wait: The NCAA pays somebody to be something called "coordinator of officials?" Insert your own wisecrack here . . . .

So does the Big East. And it's John f*cking Cahill.

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