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forgetful

Depaul is using a strategy I think we will continue to see a lot of that is going to continue to be a problem.

Don't guard D. Wilson, even when he has the ball, instead double in the paint and deny the entry pass to start the offense to either of the shooters. 

Offense in turn stands completely still.

Need to run some screens for the guards to open the court back up.

77ncaachamps

Quote from: forgetful on January 04, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
Depaul is using a strategy I think we will continue to see a lot of that is going to continue to be a problem.

Don't guard D. Wilson, even when he has the ball, instead double in the paint and deny the entry pass to start the offense to either of the shooters. 

Offense in turn stands completely still.

Need to run some screens for the guards to open the court back up.

They're just using a strategy that has been used for the past couple of games.
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DaCoach

Quote from: forgetful on January 04, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
Depaul is using a strategy I think we will continue to see a lot of that is going to continue to be a problem.

Don't guard D. Wilson, even when he has the ball, instead double in the paint and deny the entry pass to start the offense to either of the shooters. 

Offense in turn stands completely still.

Need to run some screens for the guards to open the court back up.

Why in the world would any team be concerned with our guards penetrating? The only guy who does is Mayo and he's typically limited in minutes. Actually Buzz moved Gardner further out of the paint today to get him more touches today. I ws surprised DePaul didn't keep a hard double on him today, especially when he put the ball on the floor.
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tower912

I thought the strategy of guarding Davante with limited doubling was the real stunner. 
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Quote from: DaCoach on January 04, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
Why in the world would any team be concerned with our guards penetrating? The only guy who does is Mayo and he's typically limited in minutes. Actually Buzz moved Gardner further out of the paint today to get him more touches today. I ws surprised DePaul didn't keep a hard double on him today, especially when he put the ball on the floor.

I thought this really helped open the lane. And with Derrick's man doing the doubling/sagging, it meant Derrick could make wide open cuts to the basket. If this was Buzz's goal, it was very well executed.

If, again if, this is a new niche in the offense (pull Gardner out, open lane, punish Derrick's man for not guarding by Derrick's cuts), then a further step could be Derrick catching in the lane, forcing collapse from another defender (jake's man?), leaving an open shot from the perimeter. one can only hope.

forgetful

Quote from: tower912 on January 04, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
I thought the strategy of guarding Davante with limited doubling was the real stunner. 

We did a good job of always keeping shooters on Gardner's side in the 2nd half.  Forced them to either let Mayo/Jake get open looks or double with D. Wilson's guy (who would then be able to cut straight to the rim).

I would like to see us free Jake occasionally, by sending D. Wilson to pick Jake's man when they double to free him at the wing for an open 3 on a kickout.  

I realize that other teams have employed a similar tactic, but don't remember seeing teams deny the first entry pass into the offense so hard, with D. Wilson's man so deep in the paint.  

GGGG

Quote from: DaCoach on January 04, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
Why in the world would any team be concerned with our guards penetrating? The only guy who does is Mayo and he's typically limited in minutes. Actually Buzz moved Gardner further out of the paint today to get him more touches today. I ws surprised DePaul didn't keep a hard double on him today, especially when he put the ball on the floor.


Limited in minutes?  He played 29 today.  He's been 20+ in pretty much every game except garbage games and when he was coming off an injury.

DaCoach

Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 04, 2014, 08:16:57 PM

Limited in minutes?  He played 29 today.  He's been 20+ in pretty much every game except garbage games and when he was coming off an injury.
Perhaps you consider 20 minutes a game starter's time when Derrick and Jake play 29 and 25. Perhaps you enjoy being hypercritical Either way, your intended criticism seems childish. Mayo does play limited minutes. 
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willie warrior

Quote from: forgetful on January 04, 2014, 08:15:13 PM
We did a good job of always keeping shooters on Gardner's side in the 2nd half.  Forced them to either let Mayo/Jake get open looks or double with D. Wilson's guy (who would then be able to cut straight to the rim).

I would like to see us free Jake occasionally, by sending D. Wilson to pick Jake's man when they double to free him at the wing for an open 3 on a kickout.  

I realize that other teams have employed a similar tactic, but don't remember seeing teams deny the first entry pass into the offense so hard, with D. Wilson's man so deep in the paint.  
What..no plays to open Derrick for some 3 point looks?
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CTWarrior

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Just finished watching the game, as I was at a holiday party yesterday.  DePaul did NOT sag off of Derrick Wilson nearly as much as teams usually do.  Garrett Jr pretty much followed him around once he got to 20 feet.  Further, they did not regularly double-team Gardner.  I thought it was criminal game mismanagement by Purnell, who had a line of guys fouling Gardner trying to guard him one on one.  How often this season has an opponent allowed Gardner take 4 or 5 dribbles to get into shooting position?  

As a result, Wilson actually looked to pass the ball inside today much more than usual, and in fact should have had a few more assists as we didn't convert a few good chances.
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willie warrior

Quote from: CTWarrior on January 05, 2014, 08:04:37 AM
Just finished watching the game, as I was at a holiday party yesterday.  DePaul did NOT sag off of Derrick Wilson nearly as much as teams usually do.  Garrett Jr pretty much followed him around once he got to 20 feet.  Further, they did not regularly double-team Gardner.  I thought it was criminal game mismanagement by Purnell, who had a line of guys fouling Gardner trying to guard him one on one.  How often this season has an opponent allowed Gardner take 4 or 5 dribbles to get into shooting position?  

As a result, Wilson actually looked to pass the ball inside today much more than usual, and in fact should have had a few more assists as we didn't convert a few good chances.
Agreed. Thank you Oliver. Trying to guard the Ox with the stiffs they put on him won the game for us. So make Purnell and Ox co-studs of the game.
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