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Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: slingkong on December 02, 2013, 12:40:23 PM
And there also many "experts," also on the Internet, who were very supportive of DW. Your point being?


My point is that Buzz has used select quotes from media members or digital media (twitter, message boards etc.) to create an "US vs THE WORLD" scenario for the players.

In some cases, it can be disingenuous (who didn't love Wes Matthews?), but in other cases, it can be legit. There are a lot of internet critics of Derrick, even when he plays well. Same could be said for Vander last year.

It's a common motivational tool. People use it because it works.

HOWEVER, it can be hard to constantly create scenarios where you are the underdog.   

Nevada233

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 02, 2013, 01:04:13 PM
My point is that Buzz has used select quotes from media members or digital media (twitter, message boards etc.) to create an "US vs THE WORLD" scenario for the players.

In some cases, it can be disingenuous (who didn't love Wes Matthews?), but in other cases, it can be legit. There are a lot of internet critics of Derrick, even when he plays well. Same could be said for Vander last year.

It's a common motivational tool. People use it because it works.

HOWEVER, it can be hard to constantly create scenarios where you are the underdog.   

The better players on this team. Dont start or play legitimate minutes. Its baffling. Thomas and wilson play like 70 minutes a game and thats out of control based off what they produce. This team is looking NIT bound. If things dont change. Soon.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 02, 2013, 01:04:13 PM


In some cases, it can be disingenuous (who didn't love Wes Matthews?), but in other cases, it can be legit.

 

According to Wesley, Tom Crean - thanked Buzz for taking the shackles off that TC made him wear for 3 years. Also, the press and the fans in Madison were tough on him.

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 03, 2013, 02:22:59 PM
According to Wesley, Tom Crean - thanked Buzz for taking the shackles off that TC made him wear for 3 years. Also, the press and the fans in Madison were tough on him.

Yea, that's fair.

I'm not against it as a motivational tactic, just saying that sometimes it gets exaggerated for effect. Jordan was the most famous example.


brewcity77

Quote from: Nevada233 on December 03, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
The better players on this team. Dont start or play legitimate minutes. Its baffling. Thomas and wilson play like 70 minutes a game and thats out of control based off what they produce. This team is looking NIT bound. If things dont change. Soon.

First of all, they combine for 55.5 mpg, which is radically different than 70 mpg. Saying they average 35 mpg is just silly. Only Jerel McNeal has averaged that much in Buzz's tenure (exactly 35 mpg) and only 2 players averaged 34 or more (Butler twice and Matthews).

Second, arguing that there is a better point guard on this team than Wilson is simply silly. I love Dawson's potential, but he doesn't remotely compare to what Wilson is bringing right now. Maybe as a junior he'll be better than DeWil is now, but right now, he's not close defensively or offensively.

If Jake needs to play less, then other players need to pay attention to defense more. Now that he's hitting some shots, he's becoming serviceable. Not ideal, not Vander, but serviceable. I think 25 mpg is more than ideally we'd like to see him, but I have no problem with him being a 15-20 mpg guy for this team going forward. If either JJJ or Burton figure it out on the back end they may cut into those minutes, but if they don't, I expect it's more likely they will lose minutes to Thomas and Mayo going forward than it is Jake will lose minutes to anyone.

keefe

Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 26, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
I think Derrick can be pretty good for about 25min. per night.


Are you sure it's 25 minutes? Why not 23? Or 28?

Reminds me of Bill Gates testimony before Congress on H1B Visas where he challenged how they came up with the annual number of technical visas.


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Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
First of all, they combine for 55.5 mpg, which is radically different than 70 mpg. Saying they average 35 mpg is just silly. Only Jerel McNeal has averaged that much in Buzz's tenure (exactly 35 mpg) and only 2 players averaged 34 or more (Butler twice and Matthews).

Second, arguing that there is a better point guard on this team than Wilson is simply silly. I love Dawson's potential, but he doesn't remotely compare to what Wilson is bringing right now. Maybe as a junior he'll be better than DeWil is now, but right now, he's not close defensively or offensively.

If Jake needs to play less, then other players need to pay attention to defense more. Now that he's hitting some shots, he's becoming serviceable. Not ideal, not Vander, but serviceable. I think 25 mpg is more than ideally we'd like to see him, but I have no problem with him being a 15-20 mpg guy for this team going forward. If either JJJ or Burton figure it out on the back end they may cut into those minutes, but if they don't, I expect it's more likely they will lose minutes to Thomas and Mayo going forward than it is Jake will lose minutes to anyone.

Third, learn how to use sentences and punctuation properly.  Trying to read your drivel is difficult!

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Nevada233

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
First of all, they combine for 55.5 mpg, which is radically different than 70 mpg. Saying they average 35 mpg is just silly. Only Jerel McNeal has averaged that much in Buzz's tenure (exactly 35 mpg) and only 2 players averaged 34 or more (Butler twice and Matthews).

Second, arguing that there is a better point guard on this team than Wilson is simply silly. I love Dawson's potential, but he doesn't remotely compare to what Wilson is bringing right now. Maybe as a junior he'll be better than DeWil is now, but right now, he's not close defensively or offensively.

If Jake needs to play less, then other players need to pay attention to defense more. Now that he's hitting some shots, he's becoming serviceable. Not ideal, not Vander, but serviceable. I think 25 mpg is more than ideally we'd like to see him, but I have no problem with him being a 15-20 mpg guy for this team going forward. If either JJJ or Burton figure it out on the back end they may cut into those minutes, but if they don't, I expect it's more likely they will lose minutes to Thomas and Mayo going forward than it is Jake will lose minutes to anyone.

Great points by all. +1

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