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RideMyBuycks

Quote from: We R Final Four on February 19, 2013, 09:26:35 PM
John Calipari seems to do it every year.

His Freshmen don't play limited minutes

chapman

Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2013, 08:31:20 PM
Hard to see a postseason-ineligible coach take the honors. I agree. I think it's between Buzz and that Georgetown guy

Bill O'Brien says hi.  Though Ollie didn't walk into half the hell; probably his only shot is winning out.

honkytonk

Quote from: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2013, 07:40:45 PM
Could be. How many coaches lose 2 NBA draft picks, add a freshman who plays limited minutes and stays in contention for the league title?

LOL. How many PROGRAMS lose a HoF coach, 2 underclassman lottery picks and a couple of transfers due to an APR violation that the current coach had no part of?????

OR--

A coach that lost 2 underclassmen to the NBA draft (one being a lottery pick) and 4 of 5 players that were on the court last year to close out games but no longer are around due to graduation and early entry to the nba (Fab, Joseph, Waiters, Scoop)?

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: chapman on February 19, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
Bill O'Brien says hi.  Though Ollie didn't walk into half the hell; probably his only shot is winning out.

Just what I was thinking, though looking ath their schedule, winning out may not be as far fetched as it sounds. If they did, he'd have my vote.

MU82

Quote from: Warriors10 on February 19, 2013, 07:53:42 PM
Damn.  I didn't know they came back to the BE.

I believe Larranaga was a response to national honors as mentioned in the previous post. And yes, barring a complete fade, that would be my guess, too. Crean will get plenty of support, BTW.

As for Big East honors, I'd agree that it's probably between Buzz and JT3. In preseason coach poll, GT was picked to finish 5th and we were picked for 7th (as usual).
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Hubert Davis

I think if we end up winning 13 Big East games Buzz definitely deserves to be the Coach of the Year.

keefe

Not one mention of Pitino or Boeheim?? Funny, because one of them stands a greater chance than Buzz.

For national it will be Larranaga. God I hope so.

ABC, ABC, ABC (Anyone But Crean!)


Death on call

Goose

If season ended today it would be hard to vote against Buzz. The guy makes the most of what he has and they play hard every night for the most part.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Goose on February 20, 2013, 06:31:37 AM
If season ended today it would be hard to vote against Buzz. The guy makes the most of what he has and they play hard every night for the most part.

It would be hard to vote against Buzz except that Miami is playing out of its mind.

mu_hilltopper

Who votes for BE COY?  Is it the coaches or media?

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
As for Big East honors, I'd agree that it's probably between Buzz and JT3. In preseason coach poll, GT was picked to finish 5th and we were picked for 7th (as usual).

I'm sure some Scooper knows this, but has Buzz ever underperformed pre-season expectations?  Maybe his first season when he inherited the Three Amigos and Dom got injured?  Seems like every single year MU is picked middle of the pack and ever single year he has us fighting for the double bye.
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Golden Avalanche

Quote from: keefe on February 20, 2013, 02:38:24 AM
Not one mention of Pitino or Boeheim?? Funny, because one of them stands a greater chance than Buzz.

For national it will be Larranaga. God I hope so.

ABC, ABC, ABC (Anyone But Crean!)

Boeheim didn't get it last year when Cuse dominated the conference. Heath, who finished fifth, took it.

There's something in there about achievement relative to expectation.

MUMonster03

I think Buzz gets BE coach of the year if we finish in top 2 in conference.

If Miami continues and gets a 1 seed in the tournament IMO Larranaga gets the national award easily with some others, possibly Buzz getting some votes.

Crean may get some national votes but they were expected to be good and had the talent there to be as good as they are so the coaches who did more with less will probably get more of the votes.

NavinRJohnson

Lots of candidates for national COY. Larranga is the obvious choice at the moment, but Mark Few,  Buzz, Bo, Crean, JT3...Jim Crews might actually get my vote if they keep doing what they've been doing...plenty to shake out over the next couple weeks.

RJax55

Quote from: MUMonster03 on February 20, 2013, 09:22:32 AM
Crean may get some national votes but they were expected to be good and had the talent there to be as good as they are so the coaches who did more with less will probably get more of the votes.

IU was the preseason #1. They were expected to be good.

Right now, national COY is Larranga.

T-Bone

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Bricky

We were pegged as 7th-8th with lots of unproven talent. Media thought we would be in the bottom half. We assumed our best player was a transfer from a weaker conference. The two players, who basically made up the entire 11-12 team, went on to the NBA. We lost a couple players before the season started, one of which was a proven contributor. This site thought we were having a rebuilding year.

Currently we're in 1st.

I'd say that's COY worthy.

The Equalizer


I didn't know whether the history has been to award coaches who have have low pre-season expectations, but outperform, or whether to award elite-level coaches who do what is expected.

It looks like there is no set pattern.  Here are the AP and Naismith winners for the last 10 years.  The coaches typically fall into two categories:  A strong performing team from a lower-performing conference (labelled "Unknown").  Or a coach of a #1 or #2 seeded team from a BCS-level conference (for lack of  a better term, I've labelled these "Elite").


   Year      AP      Category   
   2003      Tubby Smith, Kentucky      Elite   
   2004      Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's      Unexpected   
   2005      Tubby Smith, Kentucky      Elite   
   2006      Roy Williams, North Carolina      Elite   
   2007      Tony Bennett, Washington State      Unexpected   
   2008      Keno Davis, Drake      Unexpected   
   2009      Bill Self, Kansas      Elite   
   2010      Jim Boeheim, Syracuse      Elite   
   2011      Mike Brey, Notre Dame      Elite   
   2012      Frank Haith, Missouri      Elite   

                           
   Year      Naismith      Category   
   2003      Tubby Smith, Kentucky      Elite   
   2004      Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's      Unexpected   
   2005      Bruce Weber, Illinois      Elite   
   2006      Jay Wright, Villanova      Elite   
   2007      Tony Bennett, Washington State      Unexpected   
   2008      John Calipari (2), Memphis      Elite   
   2009      Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh      Elite   
   2010      Jim Boeheim*, Syracuse      Elite   
   2011      Steve Fisher, San Diego State      Unexpected   
   2012      Bill Self, Kansas      Elite   


Big Time coaches who lead teams to #1 or #2 seeds win nearly 3/4 of the time, so I have to think that  if the awards were picked today, the short list of most likely winners would include Izzo, Crean, Boeheim, Donovan, Kryszewski--maybe Beilein and Self.

For the rest, right now, Larranga has got to be the hand-down favorite for the "unexpected" vote.  He's a nice guy, been around a long time, and bringing success to a place where nobody would have expected it. 

Mark Few presents is an interesting case. Might be considered in any other year, but I have to think the anti-elite vote this year is going to Larranaga.

Buzz is probably stuck between these two. Nobody has us as a #1 or #2 seed yet, so he probably woudn't get the same consideration as Brey, Wright or Dixon have in the past. And even with a #2 seed, I think a lot of people looked at Brey getting the AP award and went "huh?".

On the other hand, we're too big a program to get the type of consideration that Martelli, Bennett, Fisher or Keno Davis got.  Buzz doesn't have the recruitng challenges that you have at St. Joseph, Washington State, San Diego State or Drake. 

hoyasincebirth

BE COY goes to the coach who has exceeded expectations the most. It's a 2 horse race between JT3 and Buzz. Who ever finishes higher will win it. If Whittington hadn't been suspended I would think Buzz could win it if they were a spot or two below JT3 but what JT3 has done missing his second best player is quite impressive.

dwaderoy2004

Assuming MU keeps winning, I think Buzz wins COY, while Porter wins POY.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: The Equalizer on February 20, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
I didn't know whether the history has been to award coaches who have have low pre-season expectations, but outperform, or whether to award elite-level coaches who do what is expected.

It looks like there is no set pattern.  Here are the AP and Naismith winners for the last 10 years.  The coaches typically fall into two categories:  A strong performing team from a lower-performing conference (labelled "Unknown").  Or a coach of a #1 or #2 seeded team from a BCS-level conference (for lack of  a better term, I've labelled these "Elite").


   Year      AP      Category   
   2003      Tubby Smith, Kentucky      Elite   
   2004      Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's      Unexpected   
   2005      Tubby Smith, Kentucky      Elite   
   2006      Roy Williams, North Carolina      Elite   
   2007      Tony Bennett, Washington State      Unexpected   
   2008      Keno Davis, Drake      Unexpected   
   2009      Bill Self, Kansas      Elite   
   2010      Jim Boeheim, Syracuse      Elite   
   2011      Mike Brey, Notre Dame      Elite   
   2012      Frank Haith, Missouri      Elite   

                           
   Year      Naismith      Category   
   2003      Tubby Smith, Kentucky      Elite   
   2004      Phil Martelli, Saint Joseph's      Unexpected   
   2005      Bruce Weber, Illinois      Elite   
   2006      Jay Wright, Villanova      Elite   
   2007      Tony Bennett, Washington State      Unexpected   
   2008      John Calipari (2), Memphis      Elite   
   2009      Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh      Elite   
   2010      Jim Boeheim*, Syracuse      Elite   
   2011      Steve Fisher, San Diego State      Unexpected   
   2012      Bill Self, Kansas      Elite   


Big Time coaches who lead teams to #1 or #2 seeds win nearly 3/4 of the time, so I have to think that  if the awards were picked today, the short list of most likely winners would include Izzo, Crean, Boeheim, Donovan, Kryszewski--maybe Beilein and Self.

For the rest, right now, Larranga has got to be the hand-down favorite for the "unexpected" vote.  He's a nice guy, been around a long time, and bringing success to a place where nobody would have expected it. 

Mark Few presents is an interesting case. Might be considered in any other year, but I have to think the anti-elite vote this year is going to Larranaga.

Buzz is probably stuck between these two. Nobody has us as a #1 or #2 seed yet, so he probably woudn't get the same consideration as Brey, Wright or Dixon have in the past. And even with a #2 seed, I think a lot of people looked at Brey getting the AP award and went "huh?".

On the other hand, we're too big a program to get the type of consideration that Martelli, Bennett, Fisher or Keno Davis got.  Buzz doesn't have the recruitng challenges that you have at St. Joseph, Washington State, San Diego State or Drake. 

Well, Miami will likely get a 1 or 2 seed, therefroe falling into your "Elite" category, not "Unexpected" for Larranga.

KenoshaWarrior

Quote from: lab_warrior on February 19, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
HaywardsHeroes32

Remember, this is the same f***ing bozo troll who
claims the board is "better when we lose."


Well it is.

Way more pages of info after we lose than when we win.

Lab Warrior=Smug Dick of the year!!

keefe

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 19, 2013, 07:57:59 PM
Heath stole one last year

Somehow I don't think Stan Heath will be under consideration for that honor this year


Death on call

RJax55

Quote from: keefe on February 20, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Somehow I don't think Stan Heath will be under consideration for that honor this year

Understatement

The Equalizer

Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 20, 2013, 01:38:55 PM
Well, Miami will likely get a 1 or 2 seed, therefroe falling into your "Elite" category, not "Unexpected" for Larranga.

Good point.

Still think Buzz would be well behind Izzo, Crean, Beilein, and Donovan--as well as Larranaga--if the vote were held today.




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