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keefe

Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2012, 03:14:00 PM
I don't know what this even means.


Diener goes down and the rest of the season went down the toilet. The loss to W Michigan was embarrassing.


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Blackhat

Quote from: PJDunn on December 28, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
+1  Diener was a talented PG but was in no way, shape, or form a leader. 

You can also lead by your play, not by words.   There was no other guy his teammates or the coach trusted in the last 2 minutes at the free throw line to lead the team to a win.   He was phenomenal.

MU82

Quote from: keefe on December 28, 2012, 03:44:14 PM
Diener goes down and the rest of the season went down the toilet. The loss to W Michigan was embarrassing.

OK, I forgot about that one.

Still, in my mind, losing an NIT game to Western Michigan without our best player was nowhere near as embarrassing as it would have been losing a first-round NCAA game to a No. 14 seed with a team that included Wade, Diener, Jackson, Merritt and Novak.

Not that one really needs "degrees" of humiliation, I suppose.
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Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2012, 03:52:58 PM
OK, I forgot about that one.

Still, in my mind, losing an NIT game to Western Michigan without our best player was nowhere near as embarrassing as it would have been losing a first-round NCAA game to a No. 14 seed with a team that included Wade, Diener, Jackson, Merritt and Novak.

Not that one really needs "degrees" of humiliation, I suppose.

Losing a game with Wade, Diener, Jackson, Merrit and Novak all falls on Diener not being a leader as a sophomore point guard?

keefe

Quote from: Stone Cold on December 28, 2012, 03:44:38 PM
You can also lead by your play, not by words.   There was no other guy his teammates or the coach trusted in the last 2 minutes at the free throw line to lead the team to a win.   He was phenomenal.

As I understand it, Diener saved conversation for the ladies. He wasn't the most popular guy on the team but he was respected and his teammates listened to him on the court and relied on him. Trust is the most important element of leadership.


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MarsupialMadness

Quote from: keefe on December 28, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
As I understand it, Diener saved conversation for the ladies. He wasn't the most popular guy on the team but he was respected and his teammates listened to him on the court and relied on him. Trust is the most important element of leadership.

I think they all devote a good amount of attention to the ladies, doubt that had much to do with him being a leader or not.  Also, he's married to the same girl he was dating while at MU.

keefe

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 28, 2012, 04:15:31 PM
I think they all devote a good amount of attention to the ladies, doubt that had much to do with him being a leader or not.  Also, he's married to the same girl he was dating while at MU.

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