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ErickJD08

I am not sure who watched the WI UNC game, but WI shot poorly from 3. Does anyone believe that the percentage was due to UNCs defense? Not me. WI consistently got open looks but could not sink the shot. Which begs the question... Is our 3 point defense bad luck or something schematic? If you look at the stats, you would think UNC played great defense but really didn't. I didn't really see UNC force bad shots.

Sadly, I have this sick feeling WI will light it up from 3 on Saturday leaving us to wonder what is wrong with our 3 point defense.
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Markusquette

They weren't knocking their threes down much, especially Taylor.  I feel the same as you though.  Losing to UNC makes the game even tougher on Saturday.  We gotta get up on them on threes because they have so many guys who can knock it down from outside.

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 30, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
I am not sure who watched the WI UNC game, but WI shot poorly from 3. Does anyone believe that the percentage was due to UNCs defense? Not me. WI consistently got open looks but could not sink the shot. Which begs the question... Is our 3 point defense bad luck or something schematic?

Schematic.

Buzz's concern is with denying box touches. The three point line is outside the box. From a statistical point of view, he's sacrificing 3 point shooting to stop interior shooting and fouls.
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Aughnanure

Quote from: Brewtown Andy on December 01, 2011, 02:32:46 AM
Schematic.

Buzz's concern is with denying box touches. The three point line is outside the box. From a statistical point of view, he's sacrificing 3 point shooting to stop interior shooting and fouls.

Yep, and as much as it pains me to see teams get those shots - at worst you are giving up a 40% chance of a basket instead of a 60+% chance. Sometimes a team gets hot and will shoot 50%, but you are more likely to get them shooting an average 33% at the end of the day.
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rocky_warrior

Yeah, once they get their Spalding ball back, the 3s will probably drop.

Abode4life

Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 01, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
Yeah, once they get their Spalding Sterling ball back, the 3s will probably drop.

Fixed

rocky_warrior

Right...wrong "S" ball - Spalding is way to popular for Bo to use it!

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GOO

Two points:
1. UW can do a lot more than just shoot the 3.  If you don't have decent interior play/position, they will post up and score.  We have to stop this first.  NC did a great job at this, I doubt we'll be quit as good. 

2. They missed 3's last night because of NC.  The type of 3's they got against NC were not the type of "open" 3's UW wants.  Many were off balance long 3's and not wide open coming off a pass.  Enough with the shot clock winding down and with the shooter trying to create the open 3 rather than a pass back out from the post.  NC gets credit for their defense.

UW dictated the game, style, tempo, etc... UW controlled the game.  However, UW was not able to post up much and didn't get the type of open 3's they wanted.  The one thing NC could do is disrupt the swing and 3 point shooting enough, and, I guess, also take the post up game away.

NC seemed to loose focus on offense and loose intensity.  That is one thing we will not do.  We will keep the intensity up for 40 minutes. I also suspect we'll have better ball movement on offense than NC.

I'd take NC defensive game.  I wouldn't take their offensive game last night.

JTBMU7

I think the idea of "3 point defense" doesnt make any sense. It's almost impossible to purely defend the 3, unless you're up by 5 late and are just telling your guys "no 3's". Other than that, if a team wants to get an open look, most times they will, it's just a matter of whether they go down or not.

I dont think any team/coach practices "3 point defense", because that would require allowing driving lanes to open to the basket. The best you can do is identify the guys that can really hurt you from deep, and make sure you stay close no matter where they are on the court.

I guess my point is that 3 point percentages and stats are just derivative of everything else that happens on offense/defense. If teams are getting to the basket, moving the ball well, etc, they will probably shoot well from 3, or at least have open looks. So if MU is bad at defending the 3, they are probably bad at something else that's causing those shooters to come open...

Warrior1

What about JWilson on Taylor? JWilson seems to have the movement ability to stay with him, and his size would allow him a little more wiggle room to recover on the week side should Taylor get a pass while Mu was doubling. I believe this might be an ideal situation, and similar to what MU used to do with Butler covering the other teams best guard (See Tu Halloway in the tournament for an example)

Some guys just have trouble with big time size on them.

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Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 30, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
I am not sure who watched the WI UNC game, but WI shot poorly from 3. Does anyone believe that the percentage was due to UNCs defense? Not me. WI consistently got open looks but could not sink the shot. Which begs the question... Is our 3 point defense bad luck or something schematic? If you look at the stats, you would think UNC played great defense but really didn't. I didn't really see UNC force bad shots.

Sadly, I have this sick feeling WI will light it up from 3 on Saturday leaving us to wonder what is wrong with our 3 point defense.

I couldn't disagree more.  I watched both the UWM/BYU and UWM/UNC games. UWM/BYU, UWM shoots 13-24 3pt (54.2%).   UWM/UNC, UWM shoots 8-28 3pt (28.6).  BYU allowed UWM wide open 3pt shots and UNC, for the most part, made UWM take contested 3pt shots. You don't go from 54% to 28% just due to an"off night" in shooting.

Quote2. They missed 3's last night because of NC.  The type of 3's they got against NC were not the type of "open" 3's UW wants.  Many were off balance long 3's and not wide open coming off a pass.  Enough with the shot clock winding down and with the shooter trying to create the open 3 rather than a pass back out from the post.  NC gets credit for their defense.

Completely correct.  When we play tight defense UWM percentage will be closer to 28% than 54%.

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