Is this maybe really about basketball?

[Dr. Blackheart]

ACC football has two of their best football schools facing major NCAA sanctions with the loss of multiple scholarships. FSU is down from their elite years. Clemson football is rising and VT is the king now--both small markets. ACC basketball is a two-team game. The ACC sees they are becoming more irrelevant, and that the SEC and B10 are economic powerhouses so they again struck at the weak.

The problem is they paniced and all involved didn't really think it through as the geography/econmics (despite what their story reads) don't quite make sense again...the only natural rivals are the Carolina teams, and BC has become a non-event. ND is their savior and end game, otherwise they are second tier still (especially with pending hoops coach retirements)--and ND isn't biting until their 2015 TV deal goes into negotiations to see what they can get on their own--and the ACC has no real chance that their freshly inked deal will be reopened without them.

More so, the way they acted caused other university presidents--like those at Cal and Stanford--to rethink the madness and pull the Pac offers off the table.

[GGGG]

What's Penn State's status with the Big 10? Could they be convinced to join a conference closer to home? Does the BTN bring in too much money for them to leave? Or is the Big 10 too stable to leave? Just curious if anyone has thoughts or insights.

Are you serious?  There is a reason the B10 has no exit fees.

[MerrittsMustache]

Are you serious?  There is a reason the B10 has no exit fees.

I didn't know that the Big 10 doesn't have exit fees although I did wonder why no one mentioned any of those schools as possible targets. I guess I learned something new. And, as always, thanks for answering a question and for being a dick about it.

[Skatastrophy]

I didn't know that the Big 10 doesn't have exit fees although I did wonder why no one mentioned any of those schools as possible targets. I guess I learned something new. And, as always, thanks for answering a question and for being a dick about it.

Haha!  +1

[GGGG]

I didn't know that the Big 10 doesn't have exit fees although I did wonder why no one mentioned any of those schools as possible targets. I guess I learned something new. And, as always, thanks for answering a question and for being a dick about it.

I honestly didn't know if you were being serious since the questions were so absurd.

Schools aren't going to leave a very rich, stable, conference for the BE to cut down on travel costs.  That's why schools aren't going to leave the SEC or the Pac-12 either.

[4everwarriors]

What, exactly, did MU do wrong in all of this?

I blame Crean.

[tower912]

Well played, sir. 

[bilsu]

What, exactly, did MU do wrong in all of this?

The answer is obvious. They did not change their name back to warriors.

[tower912]

Well played to you, too, sir.        Or.....they should have put Chico's in charge of everything...   (too soon?)

[MuMark]

http://twitter.com/#!/BearcatLair/status/116901178402549760


BearcatLair BearcatLair.com
Source: ACC is jealous of Big East bball and they went after Pitt/Cuse in an attempt to kill Big East. Well known ACC coach biggest advocate

[mu03eng]

Pitt was never going to be in the B1G, that bridge was burned.

The ACC move was entirely about killing their major competition, the BE, by going after their strength, basketball.  I think the ACC has to be pissed that the PAC-12 staunched the bleeding.  I think their plan was to get UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, and eventually ND.  If the dominoes had fallen, it would have made them the premier basketball conference and a solid football conference(but still 4th best).  That was a package they could sell for a sweet tv deal especially with money being available that was previously tied up in the Big East TV contracts.

However, now they are still the 4th best football conference and depending on what the Big East does will be a good basketball conference but not a huge differentiation as it could have been.  They still won't get the kind of tv money that B1G, SEC, and PAC-12 will get leaving them vulnerable.

I don't think the ACC is done, they are going to try something more, but I do think they are going to be considered villians along with OU and Texas when this is all said and done.

[GOO]

If the ACC can get ND, then they will invite UConn (or Rutgers) to go along.  My guess is they are working hard on ND, for all sports but football.  That would hurt the BE.   ND would still have the east coast connections and the ACC gets to do more damage to the BE.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

If the ACC can get ND, then they will invite UConn (or Rutgers) to go along.  My guess is they are working hard on ND, for all sports but football.  That would hurt the BE.   ND would still have the east coast connections and the ACC gets to do more damage to the BE.

Out of curiousity, doesn't ND use/need the Big East as part of the BCS step of bowl bids?  They can take a bowl bid away from a BE team based on BCS standings, ranking, record, etc.?  Ho wmany conferences want to freely give up a bid to ND under certain circumstances?

[mu03eng]

If the ACC can get ND, then they will invite UConn (or Rutgers) to go along.  My guess is they are working hard on ND, for all sports but football.  That would hurt the BE.   ND would still have the east coast connections and the ACC gets to do more damage to the BE.

I think the ACC only takes ND if they can get them for every sport.  No matter how much ND football sucks it would still be the best program in the ACC with the most revenue generation.  To bring ND in for everything but football would leave the ACC very vulnerable and unbalanced.

I believe ND can take a bowl bid away from any conference depending on how the bowls contracts are written.  As far as a BCS bowl, ND gets a bid like every other non-AQ school, if they finish in the top 12 in the computers they get a spot.

[muwarrior69]

I think the ACC only takes ND if they can get them for every sport.  No matter how much ND football sucks it would still be the best program in the ACC with the most revenue generation.  To bring ND in for everything but football would leave the ACC very vulnerable and unbalanced.

I believe ND can take a bowl bid away from any conference depending on how the bowls contracts are written.  As far as a BCS bowl, ND gets a bid like every other non-AQ school, if they finish in the top 12 in the computers they get a spot.

Wow! The football champion is chosen by computer.

[Big Papi]

What, exactly, did MU do wrong in all of this?

Us being the Big East and shame for not making the conference stronger and more stable.  We didn't have buy-in from all 16 teams.  We should have had a much higher exit fee. 

[brewcity77]

I think the ACC only takes ND if they can get them for every sport.  No matter how much ND football sucks it would still be the best program in the ACC with the most revenue generation.  To bring ND in for everything but football would leave the ACC very vulnerable and unbalanced.

I believe ND can take a bowl bid away from any conference depending on how the bowls contracts are written.  As far as a BCS bowl, ND gets a bid like every other non-AQ school, if they finish in the top 12 in the computers they get a spot.

I don't believe they take a bid away, they are just guaranteed a place. #1 and #2 in the BCS will play in the Championship Game. The six BCS-conference champs are guaranteed positions. That is a maximum of 8 teams (if ND was #1 and a Boise State-type team was #2), but the BCS has 10 spots (NCG, Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange) so there would still be room for 2 at-large teams. They must be ranked in the top 12 and are at the discretion of the BCS.

Most years, #1 and #2 will come from BCS conferences, and the 4 other BCS-conference champs will fill 4 of the 8 spots in the BCS games. Then there is room for 4 at-large teams, which could include anyone ranked in the top-12. All that makes ND different from a TCU, BSU, or other non-BCS team is that if they are in the top-12, they are guaranteed one of those spots, whereas the BCS could pass over anyone else provided they were ranked 3rd or lower.

[Big Papi]

1. I don't think they got stronger.  Spliting the pot two extra ways isn't going to help them.

2.  Shame on us?  What did MU do?

I think you are wrong, adding 2 teams helps the ACC.  They could have easily lost a few members to the SEC if the SEC wanted to go to 16.  They weaken the Big East.  Their basketball conference becomes a lot better.

Us being the Big East and shame for not making the conference stronger and more stable.  We didn't have buy-in from all 16 teams.  We should have had a much higher exit fee.  

[Big Papi]

I guess they should have had the foresight to pour money down the black hole so that we could be Vanderbilt (at best) in 2011
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_football/start

At least Vanderbilt doesn't have to worry about what conference they will be in tomorrow, or the next day, or the next........

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I found the answer to my own question.  Notre Dame is inline for Big East bowl bids.  From the BCS site:

Notre Dame is eligible for all bowls in which the Big East has a commitment, as well as the BCS. It also serves as the backup for the Big 12 in the Pinstripe Bowl.  In the event that the Big 12 is unable to supply a team for the game, Notre Dame could step in as the opponent of the BIG EAST's representative.

[forgetful]

The fact that the BCS doesn't simply take 1-10 to fill the slots is a travesty and is akin to price fixing.