Texas Tech Opening

[kmwtrucks]

Marquette 84, Crowder might not have been recruited if the FR Maymon did not leave.  Butler came in after all the 2008 class was compeletly picked through.  We signed 4 High school player's last year and we are probably going to have 3 this year.  What do you want.  WISC has few HM and WISC gets some of them right off the bat.  After Maymon left what should Buzz have done go get a 2 star power forward to replace him?  That player would have never seen the floor and we for sure would be NIT bound without Crowder.

[Lennys Tap]

 

 I hope when mentoring your clients you are a bit less absolute with your diction.

 

I know you've devoted an awful lot of time to stalking me. I know you think you're being "clever" when you call me by name or you insinuate that you know something  about my professional or personal life. Number one, you know less than you think you know. Number two, it's creepy and reflects poorly on you.

[NersEllenson]

I do love how Crean gets so much credit for "landing Wade."  We won out over Bradley.  No BCS school could take him due to his partial qualifier status.  Due to MU being in Conference USA at that time and NOT the Big East, we were able to roll the dice on Wade.  Great move.  But let's not pretend it was some hotly contested recruiting battle we won.  We can credit Crean for winning Matthews, James, McNeal, Novak, Diener, Merritt, and ODB - but Wade??  Nope.  Not nearly as competitive as the above recruiting wins for Crean.

[Lennys Tap]

Some day we should talk about how derivatives have totally screwed over this country economically...maybe you'll have an opinion on that mess.  It might be enjoyable.  

So you want to sit down and have an enjoyable and fruitful discussion on "how derivatives have totally screwed over this country economically". Sorry, but I'm disinclined to discuss  complex issues with someone who reduces them to a simplistic sound bite. And judging from that sound bite, it seems as if you (as usual, but please don't say I said always) think you have the answers anyway.

[Lennys Tap]

You do understand preseason...right?  Why is it so hard for you to admit that things change?  Post of outrage?  No, because at the end of the day other coaches did better and won the COY...the experts agreed with me and that's why they got it and Buzz didn't.  Doesn't mean Buzz failed, I thought he did a wonderful job.  

 You said I never gave him any grace...sure I did.  Hell, the guy that did the audit said there were over 400 such posts he ranked as positive and less than 200 as negative toward Buzz.  

Ah, the audit. The still unpublished audit. The unbiased, scientific audit that when published would once and for all prove how positive you are on Buzz. Two months ago you trumpeted its release as imminent. Now all you'll offer is that your guy (84?) ranked your posts and found more positive than negative. LOL

[Pakuni]

Ah, the audit. The still unpublished audit. The unbiased, scientific audit that when published would once and for all prove how positive you are on Buzz. Two months ago you trumpeted its release as imminent. Now all you'll offer is that your guy (84?) ranked your posts and found more positive than negative. LOL

Wait ... someone actually conducted an audit of thousands of Chico's posts to determine whether they were pro- or anti-Buzz? For real?

[Lennys Tap]

Wait ... someone actually conducted an audit of thousands of Chico's posts to determine whether they were pro- or anti-Buzz? For real?

Absolutely. Chicos and one of his buddies claim to have sifted through thousands of posts and, using their own arbitrary standards, determined which were positive and which were negative towards Buzz. Chicos had us on the edge of our collective seats for weeks advertising its release and then nothing. It was reminscient of Geraldo Rivera and the Al Capone vault fiasco.

[NavinRJohnson]

Ah, the audit. The still unpublished audit. The unbiased, scientific audit that when published would once and for all prove how positive you are on Buzz. Two months ago you trumpeted its release as imminent. Now all you'll offer is that your guy (84?) ranked your posts and found more positive than negative. LOL

I cannot stop laughing at this. How come I never heard of this?

[GGGG]

Ners. Wew can't credit Crean for recruiting wade because it wasn't competitive enough?  If Ox turns out similar, do we get to say the same thing about Buzz?  After all he only beat out USF for his services.

[Lennys Tap]

Ners. Wew can't credit Crean for recruiting wade because it wasn't competitive enough?  If Ox turns out similar, do we get to say the same thing about Buzz?  After all he only beat out USF for his services.

The big boys didn't stay away from Wade because of who he was on the court. They were forced to stay away because of his academics. Thus our competition was artificially reducesd to the Illinois States and Bradleys of the world. Everybody was free to go after Gardner, but most thought he was unworty as a basketball player. Big difference.

[NersEllenson]

Ners. Wew can't credit Crean for recruiting wade because it wasn't competitive enough?  If Ox turns out similar, do we get to say the same thing about Buzz?  After all he only beat out USF for his services.

I'd say this is a fair statement, definitely.  Unfortunately we all know Ox won't turn out to be D-Wade, but I definitely can see him being as good as R-Jax as a senior.  Very similar games/skill sets actually - both good hands, feet, touch, shooting stroke - neither very athletic.

But to the original question/point - yes, I do feel landing a hotly contested recruit deserves more credit than landing a B-list type of recruit.  As we know, however, the A-list/Top 100 kids, aren't always as good as the 200-400 kids.

[NersEllenson]

I cannot stop laughing at this. How come I never heard of this?

It was very real, and very talked about here...and absolutely hilarious and reflective of the degree of goober of the Bondsman.  Pure comedy!!

[Marquette84]

Ah, the audit. The still unpublished audit. The unbiased, scientific audit that when published would once and for all prove how positive you are on Buzz. Two months ago you trumpeted its release as imminent. Now all you'll offer is that your guy (84?) ranked your posts and found more positive than negative. LOL

Nobody's done any scientific audit.

But it doesn't take much effort to prove that your "vast majority" comment to be false. 

You were out of line when you made it. Why you didn't simply apologize for it an move on weeks ago is beyond me. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Absolutely. Chicos and one of his buddies claim to have sifted through thousands of posts and, using their own arbitrary standards, determined which were positive and which were negative towards Buzz. Chicos had us on the edge of our collective seats for weeks advertising its release and then nothing. It was reminscient of Geraldo Rivera and the Al Capone vault fiasco.

Not one of my buddies at all...he is a poster here that has his agreements and disagreements with me.  In fact, with all the back and forth going on here and the "timeouts", I asked him not to publish it because it would just lead to more nonsense.  I think the mods would agree.

Pakuni...no....I asked if there were any auditors here in the community and several PM'd saying they were. I was tired of Lenny's constant absolutes of ALways, Never, Vast Majority, blah blah blah.  He had said the "vast majority" of my Buzz posts were negative.  Well, that's a flat out fallacy and is easily proven if someone has the time.  After he kept stating it, I asked for an auditor here because if I did the study, Lenny would pooh pooh it.  I'd rather have an independent source.

So he looked at just the Buzz posts of mine and found, as I knew he would, that his claim was pure garbage by multiple X factors....not even close.  Due to the fireworks here from last month where we had people taking timeouts, I asked him not to publish it but he has the data and could certainly publish if I asked.  I don't think the mods would enjoy that but if they say it's ok, I'll happily ask him to do so.

I have no problem with people attacking my views, rebutting them, whatever.  But do so with actual evidence, not made up nonsense and claims that are so outrageous that only someone delusional could buy into them.

That is all...Rocky has asked us to cool it.  I'm trying to be nice here...the data exists, I thought I was being nice by not having it published and showing how incredibly wrong you were.  Call it cura personalis.

[Lennys Tap]

Not one of my buddies at all...he is a poster here that has his agreements and disagreements with me.  In fact, with all the back and forth going on here and the "timeouts", I asked him not to publish it because it would just lead to more nonsense.  I think the mods would agree.

Pakuni...no....I asked if there were any auditors here in the community and several PM'd saying they were. I was tired of Lenny's constant absolutes of ALways, Never, Vast Majority, blah blah blah.  He had said the "vast majority" of my Buzz posts were negative.  Well, that's a flat out fallacy and is easily proven if someone has the time.  After he kept stating it, I asked for an auditor here because if I did the study, Lenny would pooh pooh it.  I'd rather have an independent source.

So he looked at just the Buzz posts of mine and found, as I knew he would, that his claim was pure garbage by multiple X factors....not even close.  Due to the fireworks here from last month where we had people taking timeouts, I asked him not to publish it but he has the data and could certainly publish if I asked.  I don't think the mods would enjoy that but if they say it's ok, I'll happily ask him to do so.

I have no problem with people attacking my views, rebutting them, whatever.  But do so with actual evidence, not made up nonsense and claims that are so outrageous that only someone delusional could buy into them.

That is all...Rocky has asked us to cool it.  I'm trying to be nice here...the data exists, I thought I was being nice by not having it published and showing how incredibly wrong you were.  Call it cura personalis.

You and your buddy/auditor are incredible. I'll drop it because Rocky said to, but for you to call what you've done Cura Personalis is unbelieveable.

Peace, anyway.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Clash of the apologists. Either Buzz is god or Crean is god. Like tribal warfare, but with less paint.

[Warriors Forever]

freezer = bagder troll. Go away rodent.

[El Duderino]

I think we would have been better off taking them rather than JUCOs.

I think I could pick 20 to 30 starting calibre players off that list of 300 transfers that became available at about the same time Buzz got the head coaching job.

Why?

The thing i find so baffling in your constant rants against the job Buzz has done so far as head coach is the JUCO angle. It truly does strike me as incredibly bizarre.

Now i could understand your incessant rants about Buzz bringing in multiple JUCO kids over transfers as you seem to prefer if

1. The JUCO kids Buzz brought in all pretty much have sucked on the court.

2. Some of the JUCO kids got in trouble off the court and basically brought negative light on the university.

3. They were all two year JUCO kids.

4. The program didn't win the last two years.

5. There is very little high school talent on the roster leaving a program that looks like the next few years could be very bleak as the transfers leave..

Yet, i don't see any of those to actually have happened or be true.

Butler and DJO have not only performed fabulously and thus helped allow MU to get into the NCAA Tournament the last two years instead of having down seasons, both will have been three year players at Marquette. Three very productive years. Not a lot of high school recruits will produce three good years like they will have.

Buycks has been a solid contributor. Crowder has been really good this year and will be back next year with DJO to help us win games.

None, none of the JUCO kids have got in the slightest bit of trouble. All have represented the university wonderfully.

The roster does still have it's share of high school kids on the roster to hopefully contribute to wins going forward. Vander. Erik Williams. Otule. Junior. Gardner. Jones. Wilson will be eligible next year. Buzz currently has two high school recruits coming in for this recruiting class.

So where exactly have been all these negatives by Buzz bringing in multiple very productive JUCO kids, negatives that outweigh the positives brought on by the JUCO's helping significantly the last two years to make the big dance along with DJO/Crowder being on the team to help next year?

I'm just really at a loss to explain all the constant venom you have with the  Buzz bringing in the JUCO'S he has so far? What exactly would these hypothetical transfers you wanted instead and that may not have even chosen MU done better than the JUCO's Buzz brought in?

I get that you can't stand Buzz being our coach and he certainly hasn't been perfect, but of the things someone can try to criticize Buzz for, the JUCO angle makes zero sense to given given how well they've performed on/off the court for the university.