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[pbiflyer]

Or how about my outrage at world hunger? Did you ever take any rhetoric or logic classes while at Marquette? The subject is Maymon.

And the subject is basketball, not the military and war, yet you constantly equate the two. They are not. Evidently, you didn't score that high of a grade in logic.

[Marquette84]

The press reported Maymon quit. We have no idea what Williams promised or said to the recruits.

We have several other posters who suggest that Maymon did not quit. 

It went something like this:

Got this from a really connected guy (Aurianthal was is AAU coach, FYI)
So Tim Maymon shows up at the Kohl Center on Saturday night and goes over to the Marquette will call desk to get his tickets. The woman at the desk (who works for the Marquette ticket office) hands him his four tickets. Tim says there must be a mistake because he said he need a total of 20 tickets and demands his 16 other tickets. The woman tells him that even if she had 20 extra tickets, which she doesn't, she couldn't give him 20 tickets because NCAA Regulations only allow for 4 tickets per player.
Tim says: "Listen here, you  ____  ____  (worst you can say to a woman). I don't give a sh!! about NCAA regulations. Just give me my f-ing tickets."
The woman is basically in tears, so one of the other people at the table calms everyone down, says he'll see what he can do, and ushers Tim and family off into the game (with him bitching all the way).
We all saw or heard about Tim's antics during the game. Evidently, he was talked to by an assistant coach at some point and told very politely that he needed to tone it down. He didn't like hearing that and basically ignored it. Obviously, Marquette officials behind the bench were not pleased.
On to Sunday morning... Marquette had a practice at the Al McGuire center. As it's beginning, the doors fly open and Tim Maymon and Hennessey Auriantal come walking in. Tim is swearing up a storm again about his son playing the wrong position, not getting the ball, etc. Buzz calms him down and ushers him out and tells him that they'll talk after practice. The two go off to either the AD or assistant AD's office (who has already been briefed on the antics of Saturday night) and tear that guy a new a-hole for an hour. Finally, the AD has enough and walks the 2 back to practice. He pulls Buzz over in front of the team and says "Buzz, this has gone on long enough. If it's OK with you, I'm throwing these guys out of the building and I don't want to see them ever again." Buzz says fine and they tell Tim and Hennessey if they don't leave immediately, campus police will be called and they'll be arrested for trespassing. Buzz tells Jeronne to shower-up and head home... he's off the team.
On Sunday night into Monday, Jeronne calls everyone from Buzz, to the assistants, to his teammates and is basically in tears, saying that he doesn't want to leave the team. Buzz stands firm and basically spends the day Monday meeting with Marquette legal council and sports info to make sure that everything is in order. They put out the press release Monday night.

Gotta hold Buzz accountable for appeasing the Maymons for as long as he has...sucking minutes out of players who play a foot higher than J-May just to either A) get the delusional dad to settle down, or B) prove his first big signee was indeed, actually a stud, or C) prove he wasn't naive to believe things would change.   Strikes 1, 2, and 3.  Lesson learned.
I guess all the "J-May is too unselfish for his own good" talk from Buzz meant Jeronne was not standing up to his dad.?  Who knows on that count...  But, 9 games and out crushes any either notion: the unselfish thing or standing up to pappy. 
Anyway...Fulce comes out and plays well aganst NF (and, granted it's but one game) and it's like Buzz has to justify why he had buried this springy, team-first cat who has been, let's face it...easier to screw to this point.  So Buzz backpedals by insulting the kid (who he, of course, loves).  "Joe don't know the difference between and zone or man to man," as well as the 'ain't I quotable' thing about Joe's shot selection; the colorful "ten toes to the rim"  bit.  (Is Stockhole syndrome the goal here, or what?)
Yes, there's context, of course but....

I do agree, however, that J-May would have been valuable over the next few years if he could've accepted his 19 to 23 minutes, albeit having to do some of the same things that made him quit in the first place. (Talking about the real reasons.)  As it is... the team will be way better off not having to deal with the collateral Make Room for Daddy crap.
That said, Buzz's comments to the press have been well crafted and repackaged from the high road, you know, up where Fulce lives...and I'm sure he's looking out for J-May here, but it makes me wonder where the truth lies when, as Buzz  so often says "I will always tell you the truth."   I suppose some  willful ommission here and there is the go-to out-clause here and can be dumped into the the "best interest of the kid" bucket...I mean, there's always ways out of these things...   
Ultimately, I think Buzz is learning, and I'm nevertheless glad we have him finding talent and, for the most part, getting the "12 sons" to buy in.
Onward and upward.

And another:

The problem with Maymon was not him, it was his camp. Shocking, I know. But I have it from a very good source that the day Buzz kicked team Maymon of the team, he called all his teammates crying, trying to stay. That made me pretty upset with Buzz when I heard it, as it seemed that was pretty cold of him to do, but I know Buzz wouldn't take the decision lightly. I have no doubt that he would have found his niche at MU and would be one of our centerpieces moving forward, if not for his father. The stories I have heard about his dad are ridiculous, especially his behavior at the UW-MU game at the Kohl Center.

Buzz moved forward, and I hope we all can too. I wish him the best. It doesn't seem like we downgraded the talent much by losing him though, as he was replaced by Crowder/Wilson.

[ATL MU Warrior]

You have missed the point.  My point is that warthog's constant analogies to the military are misguided.  College basketball is not the military. 

But yes, integrity should also apply to college coaches.  Too bad that's not the real world.

This is my point entirely.  Jeronne was forced to choose between Marquette and his family.

All right! I "missed the point" and "got the point entirely" in the same post. 

Do I get a prize or something?

[Golden Avalanche]

So when you carry Chico's water is it because you're his little brother?

So, that's a 'yes'. Cool.

And I don't think Chicos needs a water carrier. He makes his points quite well on his own.

Enjoy your iPad this Christmas season!! 

[GGGG]

As usual, no substance, all insult. High and mighty as it gets.

Seriously, you are just trying to pick a fight.  Fine...here is your answer:

There is a distinct difference between standing up for basic human rights, such as speaking against the stoning of women, and ethical issues where there are plenty of shades of gray.  I tend not to make absolute statements about someone's ethical behavior when I don't have a full picture of truly what went on.  In this situation, neither you nor warthog really does, but that doesn't prevent either one of you from casting stones.

And instead of acknowledging this, and considering that Buzz et. al. also engage in such disloyal behavior, the subject changes to war, loyalty and honor.  OK, whatever....have fun with that.  Just don't expect me to be all that impressed.

[pbiflyer]

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