Use this thread to apologize to Buzz

[CrazyEcho]

Let's reverse the questions.  Do you believe Roseboro's coaches were misquoted?  Do you believe Roseboro's coaches were lying?  Do you believe that Roseboro probably wanted to just put it to bed and not deal with anymore?  

http://blog.northstarbball.com/2009/08/21/major-news-brett-roseboro-leaving-marquette.aspx

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2009-0822/busy-week-at-marquette/




By the way, remarkably similar stories if you read the quotes from Roseboro's coach and Phillycoach.

We thought Roseboro was good enough to play at Marquette, so we offered him a scholarship.  He thought he was good enough to play at Marquette, so he accepted the scholarship.  He turned out not to be good, so we told him that if he stayed at Marquette, he wasn't going to play.  He decided to go somewhere where he would get minutes. 

The quotes by Roseboro and his coaches suggest that is exactly what happened.  Besides the fact that I wish we would perfectly assess every recruit, I don't see how MU/Buzz did anything wrong?

[Pakuni]

I think Buzz owes the fans everything. We are the people buying the tickets and donating to the Blue & Gold fund.

He owes the university, and by extension the people that support it, a successful and clean college basketball program.
He does not owe us a detailed explanation of his every recruiting/coaching move and decision. It would be nice to get one under most circumstances, but it's not "owed."

[jmayer1]

Let's reverse the questions.  Do you believe Roseboro's coaches were misquoted?  Do you believe Roseboro's coaches were lying?  Do you believe that Roseboro probably wanted to just put it to bed and not deal with anymore?  

http://blog.northstarbball.com/2009/08/21/major-news-brett-roseboro-leaving-marquette.aspx

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2009-0822/busy-week-at-marquette/

By the way, remarkably similar stories if you read the quotes from Roseboro's coach and Phillycoach.

The easiest way to tell if someone can't/doesn't want to answer a questions is if they answer said question with another question.

I read the links you posted (which had the exact same quotes).  I don't think the coach was misquoted.  I think he felt MU made it clear that Roseboro was prolly not going to play a lot his freshman year, if ever.  Brett made a decision to leave based on that advice, and from his experiences during open gyms, to find a school where he might be able to better to compete, despite the fact that he had a guaranteed scholarship

What part of the following quote from Roseboro throws up a red flag?

"At first, obviously I'm going to struggle," he said. "I came in, I think I was overwhelmed a little bit. But I progressed, I got better and all that. The usual. But I just knew I wasn't going to get playing time, and it was made obvious to me. I wanted to go somewhere where I could make an impact right away, maybe a level down. Right now I'm looking at some A-10 schools.

"I love the guys, the coaches. The coaches were fine. I just had to look out for my future and be happy and all of that."

When Roseboro was asked if he regretted deciding to sign with MU initially, he answered quickly.

"No, because it was an opportunity that I had to take to see where I was at," he said. "If I didn't do this, then I wouldn't have known. I think I can play at that level – just not right now."

[RawdogDX]

Imperfect world Chico's.  Give it a concerned glance but there is no reason to dwell on this.  Hopefully it won't be a habitual thing but it's all in the game.
Buzz is doing what it takes to build a monster and I have no reason to think he's done anything that would require any outrage on my part. 

Trading up to a potential star player means more to this school than phillycoach's opinion.  Especially if we remain a leader for next year.

[ChicosBailBonds]

We thought Roseboro was good enough to play at Marquette, so we offered him a scholarship.  He thought he was good enough to play at Marquette, so he accepted the scholarship.  He turned out not to be good, so we told him that if he stayed at Marquette, he wasn't going to play.  He decided to go somewhere where he would get minutes. 

The quotes by Roseboro and his coaches suggest that is exactly what happened.  Besides the fact that I wish we would perfectly assess every recruit, I don't see how MU/Buzz did anything wrong?

Correct me if this wrong, here are the similarities I see

MU offers scholarship to player
Player accepts scholarship, ready to play at MU
MU staff sours on player and\or better option becomes available and player is told to go elsewhere
Player is surprised \ caught off guard at late in the game cutting (per Roseboro's coaches and a Newbill coach)


I'm old school guys, it's that simple.  We made a commitment, we should stand by the commitment.  That's what COMMITMENTS are for.  If after one year it's not working out, then that's a different story since a scholarship is a one year RENEWABLE offer.

Now, I get the "imperfect" world argument, it's the same one that Kentucky, Memphis and other programs play.  I was hoping we weren't going down that path and that a commitment still meant something.

[Pakuni]

I'm old school guys, it's that simple.  We made a commitment, we should stand by the commitment.  That's what COMMITMENTS are for.  If after one year it's not working out, then that's a different story since a scholarship is a one year RENEWABLE offer.

There are commitments, and then there are commitments.
If, as IWB says, the commitment was contingent on certain other events occurring, or not occurring - and both parties knew and agreed to that - then it's kind of nonsense to complain that the kid somehow was mistreated. He knew what he was getting into when he signed the LOI.

If IWB's account is false, then the kid got hosed.

Of course, there appear to be several pieces of evidence supporting IWB's account:

- reports from several weeks ago that one incoming recruit would not be coming to campus
- the fact DJ never formally turned in his application
- the fact DJ never signed up for the Pro Am
- the fact DJ never came to campus

Now, perhaps that all means nothing, but certainly it's circumstantial evidence that tends to back what IWB is saying, don't you think?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I love Buzz...think he's the best thing to happen to MU basketball since DWade was here...but I agree with Chicos. This just doesn't seem like the kind of thing I want the Warriors doing. I do trust Buzz, by the way.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Let's not forget, with all due respect to IWB because I know he does his due diligence, he's really kind of a mouthpiece for MU. Less so than Dodds, but still a mouthpiece.

[wiscwarrior]

I've read this board since the beginning... sometimes holding my nose, but this is it... you're not good for MU BB... what does the program have to do to prove it is above board. Chicos, what did MU do while you were here that would lead you to believe we are a Memphis type program... what has Buzz done to make you think so... I'm proud of our program and Buzz, but not of this board as a representative of my university... ciao

[El Duderino]

1st paragraph:  I think there were benefits to both sides (see my post above).

2nd paragraph: One who only has one high-major offer.  He decided that the chance of going to Marquette discounted by the probability that we'd find a suitable 3/4/5 was worth the risk.  Plus, we'd take him in next year's class if he goes to prep school.

Was there a promise that if DJ went to prep school for a year, he'd have a Marquette scholarship waiting for him next year?

Or was it, DJ we want you to go to prep school for a year and only if you play well, then a scholarship will be waiting for you next year?

Is there any confirmation that for sure Newbill was offered the option to go to prep school, but he passed on going to prep school and that's why he was released from his LOI?

That's what i can't seem to fully understand. It sounds like from the Newbill camp that Marquette/Buzz no longer even seemed interested in DJ going to prep school for a year and then giving him a spot on the team for the following year.

What's the actual story? Did Buzz tell DJ he still had his scholarship to Marquette, but first he had to attend prep school for a year? Then if DJ did that, there for sure would be a spot for him next year? Newbill then balked at this? Is this the Marquette side of this?

[mu_hilltopper]

Remember a few things .. you've heard MU's side, through IWB.  And I have zero doubt that what IWB has recounted is what was given to him by someone on staff.
Indeed, it's MU's side of the story, and "if" there is any, let's say, questionable actions by MU, the argument has been framed to put MU in the best possible light.  (Duh.)

Naturally, the same can be said about Phillycoach's commentary, although his story is certainly more raw.

Draw your own conclusions.

[Big Papi]

And here is Rivals side of the story. 


"Did Marquette put winning before ethics by cutting D.J. Newbill?"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Did-Marquette-put-winning-before-ethics-by-cutti?urn=ncaab,252690&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Buzz screwed up!!!

[mu_hilltopper]

Boy, I hope no one sees that Rivals story.

[GGGG]

I think Buzz owes the fans everything. We are the people buying the tickets and donating to the Blue & Gold fund.

That's laughable.  Buzz owes us nothing other than legally and ethically putting together a winning basketball program.

[HoopsMalone]

And here is Rivals side of the story. 


"Did Marquette put winning before ethics by cutting D.J. Newbill?"

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Did-Marquette-put-winning-before-ethics-by-cutti?urn=ncaab,252690&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Buzz screwed up!!!

If this is what is going to happen, Buzz needs to get this side of the story out there if he can under NCAA rules.