Andy Katz on Buzz's suspension

[GGGG]

Little soon to be suggesting Duke is getting a pass. The NCAA took a year from the time it opened its Rose/Memphis investigation until it handed down its notice of violations. And then took another three months before issuing penalties.
The Lance Thomas situation just surfaced seven weeks ago.

But everyone loves a conspiracy theory.

OK...fair point.  I seriously doubt anything remotely approaching what the NCAA did to UMass and Memphis though.

And that doesn't exonerate them looking the other way in the Maggette situation either.

[KenoshaWarrior]

In other words, plausible deniability no longer flies for NCAA coaches.

Fiction.  It did for Auburn and Cam Newton.

[Pakuni]

Fiction.  It did for Auburn and Cam Newton.

Ummm, yeah.
You understand that these NEW rules weren't in effect two years ago, right?
And these new rules don't address that situation.

[Benny B]

OK...fair point.  I seriously doubt anything remotely approaching what the NCAA did to UMass and Memphis though.

And that doesn't exonerate them looking the other way in the Maggette situation either.

As far as Duke goes, Sultan should be talking to someone - say along the lines of a next-of-kin - who is known to be hanging around Butler's campus these days... despite everyone's understanding that Butler won't be awarded the 2010 title under any reasonable circumstances, it's not out of the question that there would be keen interest all along the White River over the possibility that Duke's 2010 title may be vacated.

Given the disproportionate number of Butler alums, staffers, students & well-wishers living, working and playing within close proximity of the NCAA offices (not to mention the fact that those frequenting the latter often mix with the former after 5:00 p.m.) if there was even the slightest hint of guarded optimism around the house that Hinkle built today, I would be very nervous if I were a Dookie.

[Lennys Tap]

Ummm, yeah.
You understand that these NEW rules weren't in effect two years ago, right?
And these new rules don't address that situation.

I'm confused. There is "pending" legislation that will make the head coach responsible for the misdeeds of his assistants. Pending meaning not yet approved, not yet on the books. Assuming it ends up being NCAA law, is it retroactive, and if so, how far will the NCAA go back?

[Pakuni]

I'm confused. There is "pending" legislation that will make the head coach responsible for the misdeeds of his assistants. Pending meaning not yet approved, not yet on the books. Assuming it ends up being NCAA law, is it retroactive, and if so, how far will the NCAA go back?

The new rules were approved this morning by the NCAA's board of Directors, and will become effective on cases ruled on beginning Aug. 1, 2013.

[GGGG]

As far as Duke goes, Sultan should be talking to someone - say along the lines of a next-of-kin - who is known to be hanging around Butler's campus these days... despite everyone's understanding that Butler won't be awarded the 2010 title under any reasonable circumstances, it's not out of the question that there would be keen interest all along the White River over the possibility that Duke's 2010 title may be vacated.

Given the disproportionate number of Butler alums, staffers, students & well-wishers living, working and playing within close proximity of the NCAA offices (not to mention the fact that those frequenting the latter often mix with the former after 5:00 p.m.) if there was even the slightest hint of guarded optimism around the house that Hinkle built today, I would be very nervous if I were a Dookie.

I don't think most schools are all that excited about receiving titles because the team that beat them on the court had a win vacated.  I honestly doubt Butler cares all that much.

EDIT:  Put it this way...would we really be hanging another banner if for some reason the NCAA vacated NC State's 1974 championship because David Thompson was declared an illegal player?

[Lennys Tap]

The new rules were approved this morning by the NCAA's board of Directors, and will become effective on cases ruled on beginning Aug. 1, 2013.

So the Monarch situation isn't applicable to these new rules?

[Pakuni]

So the Monarch situation isn't applicable to these new rules?

Depends when the NCAA chooses to rule on that matter.
Regardless, MU saw the writing on the wall, knew how the NCAA wanted its members to approach these matters and acted accordingly. Better to act proactively than let the NCAA decide your punishment for you, don't you think?

[Lennys Tap]

Depends when the NCAA chooses to rule on that matter.
Regardless, MU saw the writing on the wall, knew how the NCAA wanted its members to approach these matters and acted accordingly. Better to act proactively than let the NCAA decide your punishment for you, don't you think?

So if they choose to rule on the matter after August 2013 MU is subject to rules that didn't exist when the violation(s) took place? Can't believe that's the case.

I will agree, though, that being proactive is probably best where the NCAA is concerned. They are a group who is all about creating perceptions and the more member institutions aid them in that mission the better they like it.

[Pakuni]

So if they choose to rule on the matter after August 2013 MU is subject to rules that didn't exist when the violation(s) took place? Can't believe that's the case.

I will agree, though, that being proactive is probably best where the NCAA is concerned. They are a group who is all about creating perceptions and the more member institutions aid them in that mission the better they like it.

According to the NCAA's release on the new rules:

Conduct breaches that occurred before Oct. 30, 2012, but are processed after Aug. 1, 2013, would be subject to the new process but would incur the more lenient of the two penalty structures (current and revised).

http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-10-30/di-board-directors-approves-overhauled-enforcement-structure

Remember, the current rules do allow for suspension of coaches (see: Calhoun, Jim) for actions by others associated with the program.

[Tugg Speedman]

I don't think most schools are all that excited about receiving titles because the team that beat them on the court had a win vacated.  I honestly doubt Butler cares all that much.

EDIT:  Put it this way...would we really be hanging another banner if for some reason the NCAA vacated NC State's 1974 championship because David Thompson was declared an illegal player?

We went through this last year.  We finished second in the BE.  When (not if) Syracuse gets busted and has to vacate last season, do we hang a banner as the regular season conference champions?

[Benny B]

I don't think most schools are all that excited about receiving titles because the team that beat them on the court had a win vacated.  I honestly doubt Butler cares all that much.

EDIT:  Put it this way...would we really be hanging another banner if for some reason the NCAA vacated NC State's 1974 championship because David Thompson was declared an illegal player?

Never said anything about hanging banners or titles being awarded... To your example though, if the facts pointed at NC State using an ineligible player, I would take a small amount of pleasure in watching NC State's banner coming down even though I knew I wasnt getting anything out of it other than the consolation of watching the cheater get punished, especially considering that my season ended at their hand.  Call it a poetic victory of sorts.

[The Equalizer]

I don't think most schools are all that excited about receiving titles because the team that beat them on the court had a win vacated.  I honestly doubt Butler cares all that much.

EDIT:  Put it this way...would we really be hanging another banner if for some reason the NCAA vacated NC State's 1974 championship because David Thompson was declared an illegal player?

We wouldn't be hanging a banner because we wouldn't receive the title--we would still officially have a loss recorded in our final game.

The NCAA wouldn't be vacating our loss--only NC State's win.