Mr. Basketball question - politics, etc - Vander Blue

[MarquetteDano]

I think this perceived anti-MU venom by the small towns "out state" is really strange.  I have been all over Wisconsin and it is something that I have never witnessed.  If anything, most Wisconsinites really don't care all that much about Marquette.

I find this strange as well.  I don't live in state anymore so maybe it has changed.  A lot of you have lived in WI your whole lives but I feel most of the MU venom is in the SE Wisconsin or Madison areas.  I used to travel all around the state (Appleton, Merrill, Tomah, Hudson, etc.) and never felt much animosity when I would ask for the game to be put on.  To Sultan's point, if anything they would be watching with curiousity at Marquette, because 90% of them would never think to watch an MU game.

Now in Madison or SE Wisconsin... whole different story.  Much more "haters" in those regions.  It would be interesting if you could do a poll by WI region on this (much like how ESPN does those state by state polls).

[shiloh26]

I think this perceived anti-MU venom by the small towns "out state" is really strange.  I have been all over Wisconsin and it is something that I have never witnessed.  If anything, most Wisconsinites really don't care all that much about Marquette.

I think you are mostly right.  Its not so much anti-Marquette feeling so much as it is this state's love affair with UW everything, which necessarily pisses all of us off.  I've experienced lots of MU hate, but I've experienced more MU-indifference because they'd rather root for them tough, scrappy, solid fundamentals, well coached (read: white) Badgers.  It's easy to confuse the two because they both get us riled up. 

[MUfan12]

I think you are mostly right.  Its not so much anti-Marquette feeling so much as it is this state's love affair with UW everything, which necessarily pisses all of us off.  I've experienced lots of MU hate, but I've experienced more MU-indifference because they'd rather root for them tough, scrappy, solid fundamentals, well coached (read: white) Badgers.  It's easy to confuse the two because they both get us riled up. 

I can agree with this. But I would also add that among a lot of basketball coaches in the rest of the state, they hate MU. Some damage from TC, but mostly this unwavering loyalty to all things Bo Ryan.

[77ncaachamps]

Winners of Mr. Basketball Wisconsin

2010  TJ Bray - Princeton
2009  Jeronne Maymon - Marquette / Tennessee
2008 DeMarcus Phillips - N/A
2007 (tie) Keaton Nankivil - uwMadison
2007 (tie) Scott Christopherson - Marquette / Iowa State
2006 Andy Polka - Loyola
2005 Wesley Matthews - Marquette

Is it me or does it appear that Marquette always get the recipient every other year?

Can you say TOKOTO everyone?

(Yes...he's actually a class of 2012)

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I'm from Appleton, and I can tell you the venom is real. It's bizarre and it wouldn't be very fruitful to try to put a reason or logic behind much of it. When I went home from Marquette, I would literally tell people that I was "going to school in Milwaukee" because if I said Marquette, I would get looks or even comments. The school is perceived as a hotbed of wealthy elitists (can you say projection from Badger alums?).

[Mayor McCheese]

Is it me or does it appear that Marquette always get the recipient every other year?

Can you say TOKOTO everyone?

(Yes...he's actually a class of 2012)

Would make sense if Tokoto wins it next year... which not many Juniors do.

You also have to remember that in Tokoto's class there is Junior Lomomba (Mad. Memorial kid) and according to some individuals they have become good friends through basketball. 

Can Buzz snatch both?

[LON]

I'm from Appleton, and I can tell you the venom is real. It's bizarre and it wouldn't be very fruitful to try to put a reason or logic behind much of it. When I went home from Marquette, I would literally tell people that I was "going to school in Milwaukee" because if I said Marquette, I would get looks or even comments. The school is perceived as a hotbed of wealthy elitists (can you say projection from Badger alums?).

Same thing for me, from the same area.

[GGGG]

I think you are mostly right.  Its not so much anti-Marquette feeling so much as it is this state's love affair with UW everything, which necessarily pisses all of us off.  I've experienced lots of MU hate, but I've experienced more MU-indifference because they'd rather root for them tough, scrappy, solid fundamentals, well coached (read: white) Badgers.  It's easy to confuse the two because they both get us riled up. 

You had me until you through race in there.  I really doubt most fans of UW hoops care about whether or not their team starts white guys or not.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is it me or does it appear that Marquette always get the recipient every other year?

Can you say TOKOTO everyone?

(Yes...he's actually a class of 2012)

Unfortunately that list is inclusive of the only ones we have ever received.  Note the huge gap in the 1990's...just one player.

[shiloh26]

You had me until you through race in there.  I really doubt most fans of UW hoops care about whether or not their team starts white guys or not.

Fair enough.  I don't think they think they care either... but its in the background.  If someone tells me they like the team from Wisconsin that "plays tough defense", is "fundamentally sound", and "hustles", I know which team they are talking about, even though just based on those descriptions, it could be about MU or UW.  Those terms are always used to describe teams like UW, Cornell this year, BYU, and now UNI... so I agree they don't care up front, but its going on somewhere in there, at least to the extent that they don't realize that Marquette any given year would fulfill those descriptions better than UW, and these people would still like UW better.  

[bma725]

Unfortunately that list is inclusive of the only ones we have ever received.  Note the huge gap in the 1990's...just one player.

Actually there were two, you missed Pieper in 1993.  

Having said that, yes there was a gap, but I don't know that you would really call it unfortunate to miss a lot of those guys in the 1990s.  That was a down decade for Wisconsin high school hoops in terms of producing a lot of high caliber talent, only 4 winners really ended up being quality high major players...and we got 2 of them.  Not only that, but one of the ones we missed on was Calvin Rayford, who would have been a back up to Tony Miller the entire time he was here...so not really a great loss.

[GGGG]

Actually there were two, you missed Pieper in 1993.  

Having said that, yes there was a gap, but I don't know that you would really call it unfortunate to miss a lot of those guys in the 1990s.  That was a down decade for Wisconsin high school hoops in terms of producing a lot of high caliber talent, only 4 winners really ended up being quality high major players...and we got 2 of them.  Not only that, but one of the ones we missed on was Calvin Rayford, who would have been a back up to Tony Miller the entire time he was here...so not really a great loss.

And he ended up backing up Jacque Vaughn his entire time at KU.

[NersEllenson]

Actually there were two, you missed Pieper in 1993.  

Having said that, yes there was a gap, but I don't know that you would really call it unfortunate to miss a lot of those guys in the 1990s.  That was a down decade for Wisconsin high school hoops in terms of producing a lot of high caliber talent, only 4 winners really ended up being quality high major players...and we got 2 of them.  Not only that, but one of the ones we missed on was Calvin Rayford, who would have been a back up to Tony Miller the entire time he was here...so not really a great loss.

I believe Rayford's teammate, Silas Mills, won the award 1 year, correct?  He wasn't eligible to qualify as I recall?

[GGGG]

I believe Rayford's teammate, Silas Mills, won the award 1 year, correct?  He wasn't eligible to qualify as I recall?

You are mistaken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Mr._Basketball_Award