Carnesecca Arena vs. MSG

[Windyplayer]

I looked at St. John's schedule to see how many conference games they played in each arena:

MSG:Villanova, WVU, Cincy (1-2)
Carnesseca: Providence, DePaul, Louisville, Seton Hall (2-2)

According to Wikipedia, "In practice, the men play virtually all their Big East home games at MSG and their non-conference home games here." I guess that doesn't ring true this year. I thought it would be far more advantageous playing in a more open MSG rather than having the opposing fans breathing down our necks, but after seeing the records, I'm not so sure. Their losses at Carnesseca were to Seton Hall, and a woeful Providence by 15 (granted it was early on). After seeing that statistic, I feel a lot more comfortable playing in their 6,000-seat arena.

[TallTitan34]

Is this the first time we've played St John's away from MSG?  I seem to remember the other games all being at MSG.

[Nukem2]

Is this the first time we've played St John's away from MSG?  I seem to remember the other games all being at MSG.

I believe you are correct.

[ecompt]

I believe St. John's has to pay to rent the Garden, whereas Carnesecca is right on their campus. I believe the last time we played there was the mid-1960s, and Al went crazy with the officiating/timekeeper. But we won.

[Doris Burkes Thong]

I looked at St. John's schedule to see how many conference games they played in each arena:

MSG:Villanova, WVU, Cincy (1-2)
Carnesseca: Providence, DePaul, Louisville, Seton Hall (2-2)

According to Wikipedia, "In practice, the men play virtually all their Big East home games at MSG and their non-conference home games here." I guess that doesn't ring true this year. I thought it would be far more advantageous playing in a more open MSG rather than having the opposing fans breathing down our necks, but after seeing the records, I'm not so sure. Their losses at Carnesseca were to Seton Hall, and a woeful Providence by 15 (granted it was early on). After seeing that statistic, I feel a lot more comfortable playing in their 6,000-seat arena.

They actually played Louisville at MSG. Basically they play what is percieved to be the marquee BE opponents at MSG and play the bottom feeders like DePaul, Providence, and Seton Hall at Carnesseca. So the fact they're not playing Marquette at MSG is basically a slap in the face to MU in that they must not be viewed as one of the marquee opponents out of all the 9 BE teams on their home schedule. And I'm sure this is based off the fact MU was picked preseason 12th and was suppose to have a down year. St. Johns has played Villanova, WVU, Louisville and Cincy at MSG so far thsi year and the last home game they play Pitt at MSG. It's the same case with us playing Nova in their bandbox this year and them not scheduling MU at the Wachovia Center that they play at

[Windyplayer]

According to ESPN.com they played Louisville at Carnesecca, and based on the paragraph below I'm pretty sure they did as well...

"The 25th anniversary of the last St. John's team to be ranked No. 1 and reach the Final Four was celebrated with a halftime ceremony. Many in the crowd of 5,748 had to be thinking Louisville had St. John's right where it wanted them."

[MUfan12]

According to ESPN.com they played Louisville at Carnesecca, and based on the paragraph below I'm pretty sure they did as well...

"The 25th anniversary of the last St. John's team to be ranked No. 1 and reach the Final Four was celebrated with a halftime ceremony. Many in the crowd of 5,748 had to be thinking Louisville had St. John's right where it wanted them."

That game was at MSG. They just draw very poorly for midweek games there.

[Windyplayer]

Wow, that's bad. I wouldn't imagine noise being a factor.

[groove]

According to Sports Illustrated's vault about the Feb. '68 game at St. Johns:

"Marquette Coach Al McGuire, an old St. John's player, was in rare fettle when his team played the Redmen. He matched wits defensively with St. John's Coach Lou Carnesecca, prowled the sidelines nervously and even screamed at the official timer, an old Brooklyn school chum. But McGuire calmed down when substitute Blanton Simmons dropped in two long shots in the last 26 seconds to win for Marquette 57-56."

[Doris Burkes Thong]

They played Ville at MSG - I watched the game it was on ESPN2. Here's their official schedule on their website:
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/stjo-m-baskbl-sched.html

[Dave Krupinski]

I will clarify a few things for you guys....

We played Louisville at MSG not at Carnesecca.

We have played 4 BE games a year now for the past few seasons at CA. A few reasons.

1. St. John's is most likely losing money by playing at the Garden.
2. Its bad when your fans are out numbered by your opposing fans in the Garden.

Now I personally love Marquette getting added to the CA games for a few reasons. You guys always travel very well and seeing so much yellow in MSG is painful. Also you guys smacked us big time last season to get you in a more intimate atmosphere is great.

So I wouldn't classify playing at CA as some sort of insult/slap in the face. St. John's needs to win all of its CA games. Also its not that bad of a venue either. The renovations over the past 3 years have drastically improved the facility.

[Golden Avalanche]

The Johnnies have played some bad ball on campus this season. Hopefully, MU can frustrate early and get them in that form rather then let them flow like the Bulls did on the weekend.

[Ahoya06]

I'm not even sure St. John's will fill up the OC gym Wednesday. Anyone have their attendance numbers for the year there?

[Ahoya06]

Follow up to my own post- Better numbers than I thought. Looks like high 3k's for OOC games, then 5,003 for Providence, 4,317 for DePaul, and 5,519 for Seton Hall.

About on par with their MSG attendance, minus the 15,000 or so empty seats.